Jun 6, 2018, 1:40 pm
Last edit by: Kacee
The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
ITA Matrix Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threadsUnited's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs
Oct 9, 2019, 5:24 pm
#556
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Two data points today:
1. Assigned 21D on the 764 at check-in, EWR-AMS.
2. Found a mixed BE fare by using LH via google flights, on an all UA metal itinerary (LH codeshare flights were $100+ cheaper). Seems LH lets you book a mixed BE itinerary, so I booked normal outbound (overnight), BE inbound.
Combining this with the E+ trick via currency conversion, there are some good ways for Premier Members to mix and match. I do hate the reduced PQM earnings, and with the PointsPlus changes, I definitely will book much less BE on overnights.
1. Assigned 21D on the 764 at check-in, EWR-AMS.
2. Found a mixed BE fare by using LH via google flights, on an all UA metal itinerary (LH codeshare flights were $100+ cheaper). Seems LH lets you book a mixed BE itinerary, so I booked normal outbound (overnight), BE inbound.
Combining this with the E+ trick via currency conversion, there are some good ways for Premier Members to mix and match. I do hate the reduced PQM earnings, and with the PointsPlus changes, I definitely will book much less BE on overnights.
Oct 10, 2019, 3:45 am
#557
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Two data points today:
1. Assigned 21D on the 764 at check-in, EWR-AMS.
2. Found a mixed BE fare by using LH via google flights, on an all UA metal itinerary (LH codeshare flights were $100+ cheaper). Seems LH lets you book a mixed BE itinerary, so I booked normal outbound (overnight), BE inbound.
Combining this with the E+ trick via currency conversion, there are some good ways for Premier Members to mix and match. I do hate the reduced PQM earnings, and with the PointsPlus changes, I definitely will book much less BE on overnights.
1. Assigned 21D on the 764 at check-in, EWR-AMS.
2. Found a mixed BE fare by using LH via google flights, on an all UA metal itinerary (LH codeshare flights were $100+ cheaper). Seems LH lets you book a mixed BE itinerary, so I booked normal outbound (overnight), BE inbound.
Combining this with the E+ trick via currency conversion, there are some good ways for Premier Members to mix and match. I do hate the reduced PQM earnings, and with the PointsPlus changes, I definitely will book much less BE on overnights.
Oct 10, 2019, 8:24 am
#558
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Oct 18, 2019, 4:44 pm
#559
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Booked BE EWR-LHR
Just booked a BE fare for next May EWR-LHR. As a Premier Plat I thought I’d be able to choose my seat prior to my flight ( not concerned about luggage or cancellation restrictions). But website is showing an additional cost for seat selection, with no options for E+. Is this a new twist, or do I have to call UA ?
Oct 18, 2019, 5:53 pm
#560
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Just booked a BE fare for next May EWR-LHR. As a Premier Plat I thought I’d be able to choose my seat prior to my flight ( not concerned about luggage or cancellation restrictions). But website is showing an additional cost for seat selection, with no options for E+. Is this a new twist, or do I have to call UA ?
Oct 18, 2019, 7:55 pm
#561
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To answer your original question, though, that wasn’t a glitch; you’re not eligible for E+ on a BE ticket, despite being Platinum.
Oct 19, 2019, 5:40 am
#562
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Which is kind of what I figured out, thus the change of tix! I'd rather pay the $100 r/t and be assured of a comfy seat than have the worry of a middle seat in the rear.
Oct 19, 2019, 6:46 am
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Oct 28, 2019, 7:20 am
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Just some information related to a TATL/BE reservation for December this year. I have *G with Aegean and my travel companion has NO status. I checked with a reservation specialist today along with specific details (PNR number, *G specifics etc). She has made notes in the reservation that my travel companion will have the same benefits as the *G member (myself) on this TATL/BE reservation. So baggage allowances for my travel companion will be the same as my (*G) allowance. I have the agent code and name (she asked me to reference this if there was an issue) but could not get an email confirmation.
Oct 28, 2019, 2:34 pm
#565
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Just some information related to a TATL/BE reservation for December this year. I have *G with Aegean and my travel companion has NO status. I checked with a reservation specialist today along with specific details (PNR number, *G specifics etc). She has made notes in the reservation that my travel companion will have the same benefits as the *G member (myself) on this TATL/BE reservation. So baggage allowances for my travel companion will be the same as my (*G) allowance. I have the agent code and name (she asked me to reference this if there was an issue) but could not get an email confirmation.
Last edited by Flying Machine; Oct 28, 2019 at 2:52 pm
Oct 29, 2019, 12:07 pm
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Basic Economy in K class not N, how's that possible?
I was under the impression that UA only sold Basic Economy as N class. I am booked on a basic economy (EWR-CDG-EWR) but in K class next month.
I credit everything to Air Canada/Aeroplan, which under their policy they state Basic Economy N class gets not qualifying miles, but Economy K class gets 50% miles. (https://www.aeroplan.com/earn_miles/...rtner=United#/)
All in all, I am confused and I am under the impression I will obtain 50% elite qualifying miles (called altitude miles). But am I wrong?
My second question is, how is United selling Basic Economy K class fares? Or is it N class is for domestic only, and int'l basic economy K class are more flexible than N ?
Any help is much appreciated.
I credit everything to Air Canada/Aeroplan, which under their policy they state Basic Economy N class gets not qualifying miles, but Economy K class gets 50% miles. (https://www.aeroplan.com/earn_miles/...rtner=United#/)
All in all, I am confused and I am under the impression I will obtain 50% elite qualifying miles (called altitude miles). But am I wrong?
My second question is, how is United selling Basic Economy K class fares? Or is it N class is for domestic only, and int'l basic economy K class are more flexible than N ?
Any help is much appreciated.
Oct 29, 2019, 12:10 pm
#567
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UA TATL BE does not use the N bucket; it can use buckets from K up to W (so far). It's not any more flexible than the domestic product. Yes, I'd expect to get 50% AQM for the flight.
Oct 29, 2019, 12:31 pm
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Oct 29, 2019, 12:50 pm
#569
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Wow!
It is almost as if United would rather you not fly on their planes....or is United now a LCC? I understood Basic Economy was introduced to compete with LCCs. But the recent changes to the 1K program where it does not matter if you fly 100,000 miles in a year and now to read that International Basic Economy is a number of fare classes. So is United now a LCC for the majority of the plane and a premium airline for the pointy end into PP? I am not sure an airline can be all things to all people - but then I am not running an airline however there is a reason I do not fly LCCs when choosing OALs (well except WN but they are not the typical LCC in my mind).
It is almost as if United would rather you not fly on their planes....or is United now a LCC? I understood Basic Economy was introduced to compete with LCCs. But the recent changes to the 1K program where it does not matter if you fly 100,000 miles in a year and now to read that International Basic Economy is a number of fare classes. So is United now a LCC for the majority of the plane and a premium airline for the pointy end into PP? I am not sure an airline can be all things to all people - but then I am not running an airline however there is a reason I do not fly LCCs when choosing OALs (well except WN but they are not the typical LCC in my mind).
Oct 29, 2019, 12:55 pm
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No. Basic Economy was a fare increase, plain and simple -- and the most effective fare increase in history.
The LCC stuff was hogwash that was used for cover. It was never true.
This isn't new; this is how they rolled out TATL BE in the first place. They've just been slowly expanding the number of fare classes that can have BE fares. Note that this does not mean that every K fare is BE -- there are Basic K fares and Regular K fares. The latter are more flexible, but they carry a higher price tag. (The same is true for L, S, T, W, V)
UA can't make up their mind as to what they try to be, but WN is definitely an LCC. They're just a very high-priced LCC, making them a terrible value in most cases, but an excellent value in a few cases: intrastate travel or family trips for infrequent flyers with lots of checked luggage.
The LCC stuff was hogwash that was used for cover. It was never true.
So is United now a LCC for the majority of the plane and a premium airline for the pointy end into PP? I am not sure an airline can be all things to all people - but then I am not running an airline however there is a reason I do not fly LCCs when choosing OALs (well except WN but they are not the typical LCC in my mind).