Oct 29, 2018, 2:14 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
UA has started installing Premium Plus / Premium Economy seats in 772s and 773s. Other long haul aircraft will also be receiving these new seats.
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
Real Premium Economy is Coming [Update: UA studying "Real" Prem Y in domestic market]
Jun 26, 2018, 7:50 am
#736
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Singapore and United have the same setup where the bulkhead seats have a leg rest and footrest built in, while the rest have a built in leg rest with the footrest attached to the seat in front.
This is much better than what a lot of airlines offer, including American who have no leg rests in non-bulkhead seats.
You can see that the UA seat behind has a leg rest, which is actually full width unlike the SQ seat. Both are clearly better than the AA seat which you can see has no leg rest at all.
This is much better than what a lot of airlines offer, including American who have no leg rests in non-bulkhead seats.
You can see that the UA seat behind has a leg rest, which is actually full width unlike the SQ seat. Both are clearly better than the AA seat which you can see has no leg rest at all.
Jun 26, 2018, 7:53 am
#737
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I am trying to book GPU-eligible W fare flights to China for a friend. The flights never came out when I typed in "W" on booking class. So, I typed in "W,V," booking code, the flights with V booking code showed up. I had similar experiences with other routes recently. Anyone else?
So, no, I don't think that W fare is reserved for Premium Economy.
Jun 26, 2018, 7:53 am
#738
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The seats look fine to me... industry standard. DL, AA and UA are using the same seat, just with different options. AA's looks to be the most 'bare-bones' from outward appearance, though I'll admit I haven't flown in any of them yet. Purple is indeed an interesting color choice since it is the first time it has been used in the post-merger UA color palette, but it's distinctive and fits well in the 'sea of blue'. The IFE screens look great. I'm also eager to see what the service elements will look like... we already know it'll be the small Saks pillow and 'day blanket', and presumably the p.s.-style amenity kit. I am curious to see what United plans regarding meal service.
OT, but the best move is to enter "Y,B,M,E,H,U,Q,V,W" if looking for GPU-eligible fares. Your travel parameters (advance purchase, stay, origin/destination, etc.) might not always be eligible for a W fare, or in some cases there might not be a published fare corresponding with the inventory display. Doing it this way will ensure the lowest GPU-eligible fare is returned.
With respect to PE/PP, I think UA will reassign 2-3 existing Y/C fare classes to the service once it goes on sale, to match/map to JV partners.
I am trying to book GPU-eligible W fare flights to China for a friend. The flights never came out when I typed in "W" on booking class. So, I typed in "W,V," booking code, the flights with V booking code showed up. I had similar experiences with other routes recently. Anyone else?
With respect to PE/PP, I think UA will reassign 2-3 existing Y/C fare classes to the service once it goes on sale, to match/map to JV partners.
Last edited by EWR764; Jun 26, 2018 at 7:59 am
Jun 26, 2018, 7:57 am
#739
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Singapore and United have the same setup where the bulkhead seats have a leg rest and footrest built in, while the rest have a built in leg rest with the footrest attached to the seat in front.
This is much better than what a lot of airlines offer, including American who have no leg rests in non-bulkhead seats.
You can see that the UA seat behind has a leg rest, which is actually full width unlike the SQ seat. Both are clearly better than the AA seat which you can see has no leg rest at all.
This is much better than what a lot of airlines offer, including American who have no leg rests in non-bulkhead seats.
You can see that the UA seat behind has a leg rest, which is actually full width unlike the SQ seat. Both are clearly better than the AA seat which you can see has no leg rest at all.
I personally had been hoping for the lounge chair style seats used in business class in the 1980s and 1990s. Now that would have been a game changer.
As others have noted PE will be better than E+
Jun 26, 2018, 8:12 am
#740
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Ah, that could well be. RIGHT NOW they haven't done it.
Still, with the revenue management tweaks that UA has at their disposal, I'm still surprised they don't do it for one airplane. They could always refund the "surcharge" if it swaps out to a non-PE airplane. I guess I've just become way too cynical that airlines are out for every drop of blood (i.e. revenue) at every opportunity.
Jun 26, 2018, 8:15 am
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I am trying to book GPU-eligible W fare flights to China for a friend. The flights never came out when I typed in "W" on booking class. So, I typed in "W,V," booking code, the flights with V booking code showed up. I had similar experiences with other routes recently. Anyone else?
Jun 26, 2018, 8:58 am
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It's hard to tell without a tape measure... my brain keeps seeing a huge mass of seats which look stylistically similar to Y and assuming that it's the same width and pitch as E-.
Jun 26, 2018, 9:04 am
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Obviously much better than 10 across Y with 31-34" pitch. The most important things are (1) you won't be shoulder to shoulder with your neighbor forced to share a tiny little armrest, and (2) you'll have leg support and somewhere to rest your feet. While it's not lie-flat, it's going to be much less miserable than long-haul Y.
Jun 26, 2018, 9:05 am
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Looks like domestic F pitch to me (38"), which is about what we should expect.
Obviously much better than 10 across Y with 31-34" pitch. The most important things are (1) you won't be shoulder to shoulder with your neighbor forced to share a tiny little armrest, and (2) you'll have leg support and somewhere to rest your feet. While it's not lie-flat, it's going to be much less miserable than long-haul Y.
Obviously much better than 10 across Y with 31-34" pitch. The most important things are (1) you won't be shoulder to shoulder with your neighbor forced to share a tiny little armrest, and (2) you'll have leg support and somewhere to rest your feet. While it's not lie-flat, it's going to be much less miserable than long-haul Y.
Jun 26, 2018, 9:12 am
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Jun 26, 2018, 9:13 am
#746
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I have experienced the BA Premium Economy with the 2-4-2 configuration and can assure you that you will not experience the discomfort of Y when you are sitting in Premium Economy. I have done LHR-SFO-LHR, LHR-ORD-LHR and LHR-PEK-LHR many times and not felt the need to try to upgrade.
Jun 26, 2018, 9:20 am
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Just tried a dummy booking SFO-CDG on UA990/25June as a non-status member, and was surprised that the PE seat doesn't go for a premium over a comparable non-PE Y+ seat. Both 21E and 31E were offered for $183. With the dynamic pricing for various Y+ seats, I thought the PE seats would be more.
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UA915/27Jun/IAD-CDG 20D $193 / 41D $155 20E $184 / 41E $146 20F $184 / 41F $146 20G $193 / 41G $155 UA989/26JUN/IAD-FRA 22F $169 / 32F $159
Jun 26, 2018, 9:26 am
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Looks like domestic F pitch to me (38"), which is about what we should expect.
Obviously much better than 10 across Y with 31-34" pitch. The most important things are (1) you won't be shoulder to shoulder with your neighbor forced to share a tiny little armrest, and (2) you'll have leg support and somewhere to rest your feet. While it's not lie-flat, it's going to be much less miserable than long-haul Y.
Obviously much better than 10 across Y with 31-34" pitch. The most important things are (1) you won't be shoulder to shoulder with your neighbor forced to share a tiny little armrest, and (2) you'll have leg support and somewhere to rest your feet. While it's not lie-flat, it's going to be much less miserable than long-haul Y.
Jun 26, 2018, 9:27 am
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My mother always told me I was put on this Earth to learn patience: now they do apparently charge more for the PE Y+ than for the non-PE Y+:
Or, are those not really parallel comparisons like 21E & 31E were?
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UA915/27Jun/IAD-CDG 20D $193 / 41D $155 20E $184 / 41E $146 20F $184 / 41F $146 20G $193 / 41G $155 UA989/26JUN/IAD-FRA 22F $169 / 32F $159
Jun 26, 2018, 10:29 am
#750
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My mother always told me I was put on this Earth to learn patience: now they do apparently charge more for the PE Y+ than for the non-PE Y+:
Or, are those not really parallel comparisons like 21E & 31E were?
Code:
UA915/27Jun/IAD-CDG 20D $193 / 41D $155 20E $184 / 41E $146 20F $184 / 41F $146 20G $193 / 41G $155 UA989/26JUN/IAD-FRA 22F $169 / 32F $159