United Evaluating U.S. to Singapore Nonstop
Dec 9, 2015, 2:49 pm
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OK, so here is my thinking on the range issue:
UA has been flying EWR-HKG for a long time now with a 772ER. This route is 12,971 km. The max range of the 772 according to wiki is 13,100 km. I have flown this route many times and never had to do a fuel stop, nor is it in any way a modified version of the 772.
My point is that UA is flying within 200km of the design range of the 772. Design range of the 787-9 is 14,100 km. I am wondering if they will do the same with the 787-9, in which case SFO-SIN would be fine at 13,592 km and LAX-SIN would be pushing it at 14,113 km.
Perhaps more interestingly, this would also mean that EWR-BKK would be possible at 13,961 km, and SFO-BKK at 12,766 km.
On a separate note, I think UA should consider the EWR or SFO-BKK route much before considering any SIN routes.
UA has been flying EWR-HKG for a long time now with a 772ER. This route is 12,971 km. The max range of the 772 according to wiki is 13,100 km. I have flown this route many times and never had to do a fuel stop, nor is it in any way a modified version of the 772.
My point is that UA is flying within 200km of the design range of the 772. Design range of the 787-9 is 14,100 km. I am wondering if they will do the same with the 787-9, in which case SFO-SIN would be fine at 13,592 km and LAX-SIN would be pushing it at 14,113 km.
Perhaps more interestingly, this would also mean that EWR-BKK would be possible at 13,961 km, and SFO-BKK at 12,766 km.
On a separate note, I think UA should consider the EWR or SFO-BKK route much before considering any SIN routes.
Dec 9, 2015, 2:57 pm
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Dec 9, 2015, 3:03 pm
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A series of 11 ERJs staged every 1,000 miles, like the old Pony Express. Heck, have to do something with the former CLE fleet.
Dec 9, 2015, 3:03 pm
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Not really . . . Fly America requires only that you get to Asia on a US carrier, and then you can go on something else. That said, you already can get to SIN via HKG and NRT on UA, and AA gets you to HKG.
Dec 9, 2015, 3:58 pm
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OK, so here is my thinking on the range issue:
UA has been flying EWR-HKG for a long time now with a 772ER. This route is 12,971 km. The max range of the 772 according to wiki is 13,100 km. I have flown this route many times and never had to do a fuel stop, nor is it in any way a modified version of the 772.
UA has been flying EWR-HKG for a long time now with a 772ER. This route is 12,971 km. The max range of the 772 according to wiki is 13,100 km. I have flown this route many times and never had to do a fuel stop, nor is it in any way a modified version of the 772.
Last edited by tuolumne; Dec 9, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Dec 9, 2015, 4:20 pm
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(And per tuolumne's graphic, EWR-HKG in fact stretches even the sCO aircraft to the limit of its range.)
Last edited by Kacee; Dec 9, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Dec 9, 2015, 4:31 pm
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Also, in looking at the flight history of UA 180, few days ago actual length flownw as 9,077 miles thats 14,608 km... thats... impressive... even with prevailing winds.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...315Z/VHHH/KEWR
In my opinion, SFO-BKK on a 789 would be ideal.
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Dec 9, 2015, 6:05 pm
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An office mate who's government just went IAD-DXB-BKK on EK the whole way.
Dec 9, 2015, 6:30 pm
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...453Z/VHHH/KIAH
You just can't take passengers.
Won't make it with an economic payload.
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Dec 9, 2015, 6:39 pm
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True - one way to get to HKG on "AA" is on a Cathay Pacific codeshare - anyway, point remains that UA isn't going to capture Fly America traffic to SIN - it's already possible to do it on UA or other carriers, whether American or code-sharing foreign, that comply with Fly America.
Dec 9, 2015, 6:43 pm
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What person in their right mind would pay to fly UA GF/BF to SIN when the competition completely blows away UA?
Dec 9, 2015, 6:55 pm
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Dec 9, 2015, 6:59 pm
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The sCO 772 has different engines and a longer range than the aircraft you reference. I'm not sure of the exact number, but EWR-HKG is somewhere between 85-90% of that aircraft's max range. The sUA 772 cannot be used on that route.
(And per tuolumne's graphic, EWR-HKG in fact stretches even the sCO aircraft to the limit of its range.)
(And per tuolumne's graphic, EWR-HKG in fact stretches even the sCO aircraft to the limit of its range.)
Seems like there will be several aircraft available soon. I have to think a return to Bangkok will show up, please?