Jan 5, 2015, 11:45 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Previous thread -- Presidential Plus Card Changes
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
-Waiver of 4 segment on United flights for Premier qualification (removed in 2020)
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
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- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
PresidentialPlus credit card - Benefits, Q&A, .... (impact of 2019 & 2020 MP changes)
Nov 13, 2014, 7:07 am
#121
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Jersey Shore/YYZ
Programs: UA 1K, Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond, Hertz PC
Posts: 12,521
Nov 13, 2014, 7:47 am
#122
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
Nov 13, 2014, 7:50 am
#123
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: JFK
Posts: 255
I matched my Avis status to Hertz anyway, so the new "benefit" is only really a serious downgrade.
Nov 15, 2014, 9:04 am
#124
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: SAT
Programs: UA Plat, Hilton Diamond, National Exec
Posts: 55
I actually found the Avis status pretty useless (just as useless as the hertz status). These days I book hertz just to see if I get the random good upgrade and generally end up at national picking a car I actually want. The last time I was in FLL Hertz offered me a Cruze as an upgrade.
I will admit that one time I did get an Infiniti M with heated seats (at SFO in the winter) out of Avis as my upgrade once which at the time got me thinking I needed to get a new car...
The only benefit I see to having Hertz as my backup is that it does seem like the ratio of any other company to Hertz buses at LAX is like 1 to 10 at best.
Nov 15, 2014, 9:37 am
#125
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I don't really care either way about which car company is particularly statused...
Once you're in their "bypass mode", that's all that really matters to me, I want to get in the car and get on my way. Unless I'm hauling more than one other person around, what do I care if I get a "full size" or a compact(which is what I reserve). The compacts use less fuel and are easier to parallel park. I really don't understand the obsession with getting a "bigger" car.
Avis in TPA gave me an "upgrade" to a Jeep, the attendant was all excited, and unbuttoned the top for me which was great.... until it started pouring the next day and I had to figure out how to put it all together. More trouble than it was worth.
Once you're in their "bypass mode", that's all that really matters to me, I want to get in the car and get on my way. Unless I'm hauling more than one other person around, what do I care if I get a "full size" or a compact(which is what I reserve). The compacts use less fuel and are easier to parallel park. I really don't understand the obsession with getting a "bigger" car.
Avis in TPA gave me an "upgrade" to a Jeep, the attendant was all excited, and unbuttoned the top for me which was great.... until it started pouring the next day and I had to figure out how to put it all together. More trouble than it was worth.
Nov 15, 2014, 2:20 pm
#126
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: CLE
Programs: UA Platinum, Starbucks Gold, PF Chang's Warrior, Wine Century 100
Posts: 1,105
The Avis PC got me a great rate on a rental in London once. In the U.S., not so much.
Chances are I'd never use the Hertz benefit since their rates are so high.
I've always been an Alamo guy (even better after the merge with National) - lowest rates of the majors, check in online, bypass the counter and go straight to the cars, pick any car in class, no "status" needed.
Agree with entropy, I get pissed when they don't have the smaller car I reserved in stock and they "upgrade" me to a big azz Buick or something. In a major city, I want the smaller, nimbler car to negotiate traffic and park.
Chances are I'd never use the Hertz benefit since their rates are so high.
I've always been an Alamo guy (even better after the merge with National) - lowest rates of the majors, check in online, bypass the counter and go straight to the cars, pick any car in class, no "status" needed.
Agree with entropy, I get pissed when they don't have the smaller car I reserved in stock and they "upgrade" me to a big azz Buick or something. In a major city, I want the smaller, nimbler car to negotiate traffic and park.
Nov 17, 2014, 10:29 am
#127
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SEA
Programs: AS MVPG 75k, UA zilch, IHG Spire, Marriott Plat, Hyatt Plat, Hertz Gold, Avis Presidents
Posts: 1,302
thanks to a UA cxl i got to drive 250mi from sfo in an avis this past week... originally reserved in san luis obispo, switched to sfo, upgraded from compact to mustang. doubt that'd have happened with hertz.
got the same mailer saying benefits through dec 31 2015.
agree that once you're in the bypass category that's all that matters.
got the same mailer saying benefits through dec 31 2015.
agree that once you're in the bypass category that's all that matters.
Nov 18, 2014, 8:54 am
#128
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: WAS
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Gold, IHG Silver, Hilton Silver, Hertz PC, National Exec Elite, Avis PC
Posts: 1,291
Getting OT but National matched my Avis PP status to their top level, Executive Elite, which gives you access to the Executive aisle and a choice of a full-size or higher car each time.
Nov 20, 2014, 10:46 am
#129
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: IAH
Programs: Marriott Plat, Hyatt Globalist, DL Plat, UA Silver
Posts: 4,043
I would definitely want to spend my last year with Avis, than status match over to National. Even 1 year will be good!
I hate Hertz!!!
Nov 21, 2014, 9:17 am
#130
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Posts: 1,105
https://statusmatch.emeraldclub.com/
Nov 21, 2014, 4:08 pm
#131
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: TUL
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Seems to last forever. I status matched to National in 2012, and still retain the status even though I've only rented once a year from them.
https://statusmatch.emeraldclub.com/
https://statusmatch.emeraldclub.com/
Several times in the status matching process is the following language: Your membership and status must have been activated between January 1, 2013, and today.
Since Presidential Plus card holders have had their card, and thus their Avis President's Club membership, prior to January 1, 2013 it would appear to be impossible to meet the above condition.
Nov 21, 2014, 7:11 pm
#132
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It appears National may no longer be status matching Avis President's Club members who have their membership through the Chase United Presidential Plus card.
Several times in the status matching process is the following language: Your membership and status must have been activated between January 1, 2013, and today.
Since Presidential Plus card holders have had their card, and thus their Avis President's Club membership, prior to January 1, 2013 it would appear to be impossible to meet the above condition.
Several times in the status matching process is the following language: Your membership and status must have been activated between January 1, 2013, and today.
Since Presidential Plus card holders have had their card, and thus their Avis President's Club membership, prior to January 1, 2013 it would appear to be impossible to meet the above condition.
Nov 21, 2014, 8:10 pm
#133
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: TUL
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I still entered my information for the status match. They ask for a copy of one's most recent Avis monthly statement. Huh???? I sent them a copy of my membership card and stated Avis does not produce monthly statements.
Nov 22, 2014, 12:11 pm
#134
Join Date: Sep 2013
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I agree. That's why I am wondering if there is any other interpretation and additionally why this requirement is listed.
I still entered my information for the status match. They ask for a copy of one's most recent Avis monthly statement. Huh???? I sent them a copy of my membership card and stated Avis does not produce monthly statements.
I still entered my information for the status match. They ask for a copy of one's most recent Avis monthly statement. Huh???? I sent them a copy of my membership card and stated Avis does not produce monthly statements.
I'm working on this status match and will advise yall when I hear back!
Nov 25, 2014, 7:52 pm
#135
Join Date: Jan 2009
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I agree. That's why I am wondering if there is any other interpretation and additionally why this requirement is listed.
I still entered my information for the status match. They ask for a copy of one's most recent Avis monthly statement. Huh???? I sent them a copy of my membership card and stated Avis does not produce monthly statements.
I still entered my information for the status match. They ask for a copy of one's most recent Avis monthly statement. Huh???? I sent them a copy of my membership card and stated Avis does not produce monthly statements.