Jan 5, 2015, 11:45 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Previous thread -- Presidential Plus Card Changes
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
-Waiver of 4 segment on United flights for Premier qualification (removed in 2020)
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
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- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
PresidentialPlus credit card - Benefits, Q&A, .... (impact of 2019 & 2020 MP changes)
Sep 17, 2014, 12:45 pm
#91
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I believe the story in this link is incorrect - eg pres plus cards are fully exempt from min spend (both on card and in eqd). But some other cards are eqd exempt after a min spend (25k)?
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....d-credit-card/
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....d-credit-card/
Sep 17, 2014, 12:50 pm
#92
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I believe the story in this link is incorrect - eg pres plus cards are fully exempt from min spend (both on card and in eqd). But some other cards are eqd exempt after a min spend (25k)?
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....d-credit-card/
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....d-credit-card/
Sep 17, 2014, 1:34 pm
#94
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston
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Oct 13, 2014, 11:15 am
#95
Join Date: Dec 2008
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FPQM expiration dates
I'm a little confused as to when the Flex PQM's expire.
United states 39 months after they are earned. Thats the answer I got when I called. The agent wasn't sure and so read it from the documentation she found.
Chase website states: “PQM earned beginning January 1, 2012, can be used at any time during the calendar year in which they were earned, plus three additional calendar years, and will then expire if not redeemed.”
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...nefits-new.htm
Based on the info on the Chase webpage, FPQM's expire sometime between 37 and 48 months after they are earned. For example, FPQM earned in Jan 2012 would be good for all 12 months in 2012, plus 3 additional calendar years (36 months) which totals 48 months. FPQM earned in Dec 2012 would be good for 1 month in 2012 plus 3 additional calendar years which totals 37 months.
My previous understanding was a hybrid between the two above methods. I thought the were good for the calendar year earned, plus 39 months. This would give you a little time after end of calendar year to add them to the previous years PQM total.
So the FPQM's that were deposited to my account in January 2012 likely expire in April 2015, or maybe at the end of December 2015, or maybe March 2016?
United states 39 months after they are earned. Thats the answer I got when I called. The agent wasn't sure and so read it from the documentation she found.
Chase website states: “PQM earned beginning January 1, 2012, can be used at any time during the calendar year in which they were earned, plus three additional calendar years, and will then expire if not redeemed.”
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...nefits-new.htm
Based on the info on the Chase webpage, FPQM's expire sometime between 37 and 48 months after they are earned. For example, FPQM earned in Jan 2012 would be good for all 12 months in 2012, plus 3 additional calendar years (36 months) which totals 48 months. FPQM earned in Dec 2012 would be good for 1 month in 2012 plus 3 additional calendar years which totals 37 months.
My previous understanding was a hybrid between the two above methods. I thought the were good for the calendar year earned, plus 39 months. This would give you a little time after end of calendar year to add them to the previous years PQM total.
So the FPQM's that were deposited to my account in January 2012 likely expire in April 2015, or maybe at the end of December 2015, or maybe March 2016?
Oct 13, 2014, 11:57 pm
#96
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"Flex PQM earned on or after January 1, 2012, will expire 39 months after the end of the calendar year during which they were deposited into your account."
So FPQM's deposited at anytime in 2012 would expire end of 3/2016.
Oct 14, 2014, 7:06 am
#97
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That's always been my understanding and is basically what it says on the United site:
"Flex PQM earned on or after January 1, 2012, will expire 39 months after the end of the calendar year during which they were deposited into your account."
So FPQM's deposited at anytime in 2012 would expire end of 3/2016.
"Flex PQM earned on or after January 1, 2012, will expire 39 months after the end of the calendar year during which they were deposited into your account."
So FPQM's deposited at anytime in 2012 would expire end of 3/2016.
RNE, noting that NXFPQMs are not affected.
Any other Presidential Plus cardholders seeing this "advertisement" on their Account page on United.com?
It links to this page (below), a rehash of the card's benefits—which haven't changed in forever, so why the reminder? The image just showed up recently and my annual fee just so happens to be due soon. Coincidence?
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ate=2014-09-19
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Dec 17, 2014 at 3:20 pm
Nov 1, 2014, 6:34 am
#98
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Any other Presidential Plus cardholders seeing this "advertisement" on their Account page on United.com?
It links to this page (below), a rehash of the card's benefits—which haven't changed in forever, so why the reminder? The image just showed up recently and my annual fee just so happens to be due soon. Coincidence?
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ate=2014-09-19
It links to this page (below), a rehash of the card's benefits—which haven't changed in forever, so why the reminder? The image just showed up recently and my annual fee just so happens to be due soon. Coincidence?
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ate=2014-09-19
Nov 11, 2014, 3:51 pm
#99
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 15
Milage plus preditinal card losing avis benefit
I can't belive they are taking away the avis presidential status and replacing it with hertz I have not had good dealings with hertz and it's really a downgrade in benefits only a one class upgrade opposed to a 2 car upgrade United and chase really dropped the ball on this as soon as dec 2015 hits thinking of canceling my card.
Nov 11, 2014, 4:15 pm
#100
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For those that have not heard
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/avis-...-hertz-pc.html
surely related to
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ar-rental.html
and
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ing-hertz.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/avis-...-hertz-pc.html
surely related to
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ar-rental.html
and
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ing-hertz.html
Nov 11, 2014, 5:35 pm
#101
Join Date: Jan 2008
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I can't belive they are taking away the avis presidential status and replacing it with hertz I have not had good dealings with hertz and it's really a downgrade in benefits only a one class upgrade opposed to a 2 car upgrade United and chase really dropped the ball on this as soon as dec 2015 hits thinking of canceling my card.
Nov 11, 2014, 6:16 pm
#102
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tten from Avis has been a free newspaper in my car.
Nov 11, 2014, 7:48 pm
#103
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I don't care as long as: 1. I can just jump in the car & go; and 2. Hertz is massively more expensive, which I recall it used to be...
Nov 11, 2014, 8:52 pm
#104
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA 1K, Marriott-Gold
Posts: 621
Any other Presidential Plus cardholders seeing this "advertisement" on their Account page on United.com?
It links to this page (below), a rehash of the card's benefits—which haven't changed in forever, so why the reminder? The image just showed up recently and my annual fee just so happens to be due soon. Coincidence?
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ate=2014-09-19
It links to this page (below), a rehash of the card's benefits—which haven't changed in forever, so why the reminder? The image just showed up recently and my annual fee just so happens to be due soon. Coincidence?
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ate=2014-09-19
Nov 11, 2014, 8:55 pm
#105
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