Jan 5, 15, 11:45 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Previous thread -- Presidential Plus Card Changes
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
-Waiver of 4 segment on United flights for Premier qualification (removed in 2020)
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
Related thread - General Questions re: MileagePlus Flex PQM
This legacy Chase credit card is not taking new applications. Compiled below is a comparison of current card-derived vs. status-derived benefits.
Overall, the current benefits of the PP and the replacement Club card are nearly identical. The key trade-off is increased redeemable mile (RDM) earnings with the Club card vs. FPQM with the PP card. Basically, the Club card earns an incremental 0.5 RDM / $1 vs. the PP card’s 0.2 PQM / $1. This sets a 2.5 RDM : $1 PQM ratio, which puts a price on PQMs earned this way at $0.025 to $0.050. Given that PQMs cost atleast $0.08 or more each if purchased early in the year via award accelerator, this is a pretty good deal for those who anticipate falling short of the upcoming year’s desired Silver / Gold / Platinum threshold.
Benefits unique to the PP card:
- 1000 FPQM per $5,000 spend (or 0.2 / $1)
- FPQMs are only valid for Premier Silver / Gold / Platinum status, expire 3 years after earning
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend (x2 hotel & rental cars for personal card, x2 restaurants, gas, office supplies for business card)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar (PQD) waiver (no minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits unique to the Club card:
- 1.5 RDM / $1 card spend
- PQD waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend, doesn’t apply to 1K)
Benefits shared between PP and Club cards:
- $395 annual fee
- United club membership (vs. $450 1K/GS, $500 Platinum, $550 Gold, $550 Silver, $550 GM, +$550 with spouse)
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- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- 2 free checked bags (vs. 1 Silver, 2 Gold, 3 Platinum)
- Hyatt Gold Passport Platinum
- Hertz Hertz President's Circle status (vs. Five Star for Premier Silver / Gold) (expiring 31 January 2023)
- CPU on award tickets
- No <21 day award booking fees (vs. $50 Silver, $25 Gold, $0 Platinum)
- No foreign transaction fees
- Concierge service
Benefits compared to Explorer card:
- only $95 annual fee
- only 1 free bag for cardholder and 1 companion
- 1 RDM / $1 card spend, +10,000 bonus after $25,000 card spend)
- 2 single-use club passes
- Premier Access (group 2 boarding)
- Premier Qualifying Dollar waiver (with $25,000 minimum card spend)
Sources (accessed Jan 1, 2015):
Chase United Card Benefits
https://www.chase.com/online/Credit-...ewards-new.htm
United Premier Status Benefits
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...r/default.aspx
United Premier Status Qualification Requirements
Premier status qualification requirements
Prior FlyerTalk thread on Presidential Plus card changes
Presidential Plus Card Changes
Based on post by pstrasma
PresidentialPlus credit card - Benefits, Q&A, .... (impact of 2019 & 2020 MP changes)
Dec 16, 14, 11:41 am
#166
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I have 2 cards (Pd and PP) which BOTH provide UC access. It is my understanding that a member cannot have 2 memberships, although I am willing to attempt to have them. I have asked that as I have 2 memberships being paid for by me being a member of a Chase card, that Chase waive part of the AF of the PP card as they have for others that are/were members by another method.
Dec 16, 14, 12:02 pm
#167
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Great! I called UA to find out when my miles expire so I can use them. The agent said she doesn't know. She checked back and can't find anything more than the number of FlexPQM as of 12/1/2012.
UGH.
UGH.
Dec 16, 14, 1:12 pm
#168
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hibit a retetion bonus. They do seem to affect what banks can offer as a package of benefits that come along with a card.The benefits go further than Club access. The Presidential Plus card grants waivers for the 4-segments and PQD qualifications, whereas the Club Card earns 1.5 miles/dollar spent. So, one may want to have the PP card, but not use it for spend, instead using the Club card for that.
Dec 16, 14, 1:29 pm
#169
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The benefits go further than Club access. The Presidential Plus card grants waivers for the 4-segments and PQD qualifications, whereas the Club Card earns 1.5 miles/dollar spent. So, one may want to have the PP card, but not use it for spend, instead using the Club card for that.
Dec 16, 14, 4:17 pm
#170
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I understand the benefit of having the PPMC, it has a lot more benefits than the Club Card. But instead of having both, wouldn't it make more sense to have a Sapphire Preferred (or Ink) and just dump the points where needed? Or a card that has a 2% cashback? (This can surely be debated ad nauseum, but I'm still having trouble working out the math behind it to make it advantageous.)
Dec 17, 14, 8:06 am
#171
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The first rep I spoke to at Chase sure thought the regulation applied.
The benefits go further than Club access. The Presidential Plus card grants waivers for the 4-segments and PQD qualifications, whereas the Club Card earns 1.5 miles/dollar spent. So, one may want to have the PP card, but not use it for spend, instead using the Club card for that.
The benefits go further than Club access. The Presidential Plus card grants waivers for the 4-segments and PQD qualifications, whereas the Club Card earns 1.5 miles/dollar spent. So, one may want to have the PP card, but not use it for spend, instead using the Club card for that.
Dec 17, 14, 8:16 am
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Dec 17, 14, 2:14 pm
#173
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.... The benefits go further than Club access. The Presidential Plus card grants waivers for the 4-segments and PQD qualifications, whereas the Club Card earns 1.5 miles/dollar spent. So, one may want to have the PP card, but not use it for spend, instead using the Club card for that.
Both cards has Premier Access and 2 bag waiver.
At the time I signed up, I preferred the higher RDM over the FPQMs.
Dec 17, 14, 2:51 pm
#174
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The Club card also provides 4-seg waiver and the PQD waiver (with $25K spend). So the Club has higher RDMs but higher spend requirement for PQD waiver --- and PP has FPQMs (and is not available for new customers).
Both cards has Premier Access and 2 bag waiver.
At the time I signed up, I preferred the higher RDM over the FPQMs.
Both cards has Premier Access and 2 bag waiver.
At the time I signed up, I preferred the higher RDM over the FPQMs.
Dec 17, 14, 3:03 pm
#175
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No, Chase no longer offers this credit card. It was available primarily when Continental was still flying. Shortly after everything was combined they stopped taking new applications. The only "premier" card available is the United Club Card.
Dec 17, 14, 3:03 pm
#176
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He is referring to new customers of the Presidential Plus Credit Card. Chase and UA no longer offer this card, so if you don't already have it, you cannot get it. It's not a matter of qualifying per se, it's a matter of it not being offered.
Dec 17, 14, 3:14 pm
#177
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Yet we have had at least one anecdotal account that Chase did in fact issue the Presidential Plus card to someone this year.
Dec 17, 14, 3:17 pm
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for reference
Yes, ctownflyer has gotten a Presidential Plus card after they were officially unavailable. I know him personally and can vouch for his veracity.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23833777-post1906.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23833777-post1906.html
Though there may be other zombie links still out there.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Dec 17, 14 at 3:27 pm Reason: Reference previous posting
Dec 17, 14, 4:33 pm
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RNE, not saying this is likely, merely possible.
Dec 17, 14, 7:00 pm
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The fact Chase both approved and issued a Presidential Plus credit card to a new customer is proof Chase is willing to do so; it could have simply denied the application had it not wanted to. Yes, the zombie link may be exorcised now, but the fact remains Chase issued a new PP card and therefore could possibly do so again under certain (unknown) circumstances.
RNE, not saying this is likely, merely possible.
RNE, not saying this is likely, merely possible.
The short of it: someone could have forgotten to shut off the offer for new customers
