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Due to winter (most common Dec/Jan) weather/jetstream conditions for northern TATL flights, the 757-200's UA uses for the thin european routes need to make fuel stop / diversions. Typically at Bangor (BGR) / Goose Bay(YYR) / Gander (YQX) /St. John's (YYT), ....
The most commonly affected European routes are Barcelona (BCN), Berlin (TXL), Hamburg (HAM), Madrid (MAD), Oslo (OSL), Stockholm (ARN)
Interesting maps
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
Related / previous threads
Why does United put 757s on certain flights from EWR to europe
[757-200 diversions] CO starting hubs at Gander, Goose Bay, etc. [threads merged] pmCO
UA69 (ARN-EWR): Wrong plane, wrong fuel calculations, or bad weather?
2013 Westbound TATL 757 "Short Stops"
Consolidated "United 757 TATL Fuel Stop" Thread [Merged] 2012
The most commonly affected European routes are Barcelona (BCN), Berlin (TXL), Hamburg (HAM), Madrid (MAD), Oslo (OSL), Stockholm (ARN)
Interesting maps
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
Related / previous threads
Why does United put 757s on certain flights from EWR to europe
[757-200 diversions] CO starting hubs at Gander, Goose Bay, etc. [threads merged] pmCO
UA69 (ARN-EWR): Wrong plane, wrong fuel calculations, or bad weather?
2013 Westbound TATL 757 "Short Stops"
Consolidated "United 757 TATL Fuel Stop" Thread [Merged] 2012
North TATL 757 fuel stops / diversion delays [2015]
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For what then? 3 medicals in a row? AA121 stopped last 3 days as shown above for "winds"
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL121
Jan.2 Bangor
Jan.3 Bangor
Jan.4 Gander
Today's stop looked planned from when the flight took off
US799 AMS-PHL, US751 BRU-PHL, AA211 MAN-JFK, AA55 MAN-ORD also made a visit to Gander today (and some on multiple days recently), so its hardly a unique United issue with TATL 757s
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL121
Jan.2 Bangor
Jan.3 Bangor
Jan.4 Gander
Today's stop looked planned from when the flight took off
US799 AMS-PHL, US751 BRU-PHL, AA211 MAN-JFK, AA55 MAN-ORD also made a visit to Gander today (and some on multiple days recently), so its hardly a unique United issue with TATL 757s
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High altitude winds, jet stream related
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
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High altitude winds, jet stream related
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
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High altitude winds, jet stream related
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
Compare these to the flight paths -- typical Dec/Jan patterns
Weather Model - North Atlantic Jet Stream Wind
North Atlantic Jet Stream Forecasts
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While the winter jetstream and high altitude winds certainly is a huge factor, destination airport weather also plays a large part into the equation.
In the case of UA76 BFS-EWR today 1/4, it looks like they tried for EWR, were put into a hold (did one racetrack loop), and made the decision to divert to ALB because they were probably told by ATC that it would be a while due to the poor EWR weather.
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"Weather" is inclusive of winds. You mean the winds aloft over the North Atlantic? Correct, it looks like BFS-EWR diverted due to EWR weather. Visibility was low most of the day. Winds in the NYC area weren't too bad though.
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I was in Berlin just before christmas and was told by a 1K agent that they were going to be putting a 767 on the TXL-EWR route because of the diversions (didn't say when). TXL is one of the longer routes, I think. I'm not sure his information was credible.
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EWR-TXL on the 767-300 is planned only for July this year, and is due to summer demand.
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The 763 is a summer demand change. Will be interesting to see if it stays that way as demand dwindles in the colder months.
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You're still dumping more capacity onto the market when demand is low (during the winter season). With an unchanged demand curve, price falls
As far as stimulating demand goes ("offering a better - more competitive (inflight) - product"), just ask American how their More Room Throughout Coach experiment went. Most consumers are not willing to pay more for what they perceive as a heavily commoditized product.
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1/5 again has a plethora of diversions:
UA55 (CDG-EWR)
UA69 (ARN-EWR)
UA75 (HAM-EWR)
UA121 (BCN-EWR)
UA125 (TXL-EWR)
Other longer 757 flights like UA39 (OSL-EWR) and UA63 (MAD-EWR) are going nonstop today as of now...
btw: Yesterday's (1/4) UA125 took a 2:50 delay at Gander due to "aircraft refueling difficulties" after only 50 minutes the day before.
Greetings - Dirk
UA55 (CDG-EWR)
UA69 (ARN-EWR)
UA75 (HAM-EWR)
UA121 (BCN-EWR)
UA125 (TXL-EWR)
Other longer 757 flights like UA39 (OSL-EWR) and UA63 (MAD-EWR) are going nonstop today as of now...
btw: Yesterday's (1/4) UA125 took a 2:50 delay at Gander due to "aircraft refueling difficulties" after only 50 minutes the day before.
Greetings - Dirk
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