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Many of the questions about the validity of itineraries containing open jaws or stopovers can be found in the wiki at: Consolidated Rules for Open Jaw and Stopver Award Flights. Please read that prior to posting questions.
MileagePlus Star Alliance Travel Rules
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...airawards.aspx
MileagePlus Star Alliance Travel Rules
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...airawards.aspx
Consolidated "Is My UA Award Itinerary Valid?" Thread [2014]
#91
Join Date: Dec 2006
Programs: SPG Plat, Hyatt Diamond, UA, AA, DL, BA, CX
Posts: 491
Welcome to FT. These questions are exhaustively covered in the wiki at the top of the OJ and Stopover Thread.
To answer your question you can have one stopover (i.e. a stop on the ground of longer than 24 hours) in addition to your destination.
Your proposed itinerary looks fine although you will almost certainly be unable to get this to price online. Potential issues are:
1. Many agents will state that crossing both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans makes it a round-the-world itinerary - it does not.
2. Many agents will say you are not allowed an open jaw at a stopover - you are. You may wish to try and book the route without the openjaw and then create it later by deleting the relevant segment. Backtracking through FRA is also likely to make it harder to book.
3. You can have a maximum of four flights each way, you're going to be tight up against this on the outbound with a stop in Europe.
You don't need to (nor probably can you) fly the same carrier throughout, I have an itinerary booked that involves SK, NZ, TG and LX flights.
I would identify space segment by segment and then call in to book this. If you're elite they'll waive the phone booking fee.
To answer your question you can have one stopover (i.e. a stop on the ground of longer than 24 hours) in addition to your destination.
Your proposed itinerary looks fine although you will almost certainly be unable to get this to price online. Potential issues are:
1. Many agents will state that crossing both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans makes it a round-the-world itinerary - it does not.
2. Many agents will say you are not allowed an open jaw at a stopover - you are. You may wish to try and book the route without the openjaw and then create it later by deleting the relevant segment. Backtracking through FRA is also likely to make it harder to book.
3. You can have a maximum of four flights each way, you're going to be tight up against this on the outbound with a stop in Europe.
You don't need to (nor probably can you) fly the same carrier throughout, I have an itinerary booked that involves SK, NZ, TG and LX flights.
I would identify space segment by segment and then call in to book this. If you're elite they'll waive the phone booking fee.
I understand that many people say it's legal and some agents will ticket it, but it's getting rare. How are we going to argue with agents when they have the support from their supervisor? It's quite frustrating unless there's a clear rule somewhere that we can refer to.
#92
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 198
Timing & Method question
Here is the routing I want to end up with, via UA MP award:
Outbound:
SFO - TPE (stopover) on 12/21
TPE - CNX on 12/25
Return:
BKK - SFO on 1/2
I'll be spending time in three cities -- Taipei, Chiang Mai, and Bangkok. As I understand the rules, I'll have to do CNX-BKK on my own because only one stopover is allowed, and I'm using that on TPE.
I will be traveling during a high demand time period, and so I don't want to wait until 1/2/2015 is bookable to make the whole itinerary (afraid of losing availability for SFO-TPE-CNX if I wait that long). If I book SFO-TPE as a one-way and TPE-CNX as a one-way, then TPE won't be counted as a stopover because I don't have a return yet. So how should I proceed?
1) Get each award segment individually as it becomes available? If I do this, then I'll spend more miles for the outbound OWs...will it get re-priced/refunded when I book my award return?
2) Book an itinerary composed of the segments now but with incorrect dates (and no stopover) and change dates later. I've started down this path already as I have SFO-TPE-CNX but with no stopover in TPE...thinking I'd be able to change the TPE-CNX date when 12/25 inventory becomes bookable. I'd also have to make a strawman return (BKK-SFO) and keep changing the date for that.
FWIW, I'm MP Plat. Advice is greatly appreciated.
Outbound:
SFO - TPE (stopover) on 12/21
TPE - CNX on 12/25
Return:
BKK - SFO on 1/2
I'll be spending time in three cities -- Taipei, Chiang Mai, and Bangkok. As I understand the rules, I'll have to do CNX-BKK on my own because only one stopover is allowed, and I'm using that on TPE.
I will be traveling during a high demand time period, and so I don't want to wait until 1/2/2015 is bookable to make the whole itinerary (afraid of losing availability for SFO-TPE-CNX if I wait that long). If I book SFO-TPE as a one-way and TPE-CNX as a one-way, then TPE won't be counted as a stopover because I don't have a return yet. So how should I proceed?
1) Get each award segment individually as it becomes available? If I do this, then I'll spend more miles for the outbound OWs...will it get re-priced/refunded when I book my award return?
2) Book an itinerary composed of the segments now but with incorrect dates (and no stopover) and change dates later. I've started down this path already as I have SFO-TPE-CNX but with no stopover in TPE...thinking I'd be able to change the TPE-CNX date when 12/25 inventory becomes bookable. I'd also have to make a strawman return (BKK-SFO) and keep changing the date for that.
FWIW, I'm MP Plat. Advice is greatly appreciated.
#93
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AS 75K; UA 1MM; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott LTP; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 56,470
So how should I proceed?
1) Get each award segment individually as it becomes available? If I do this, then I'll spend more miles for the outbound OWs...will it get re-priced/refunded when I book my award return?
2) Book an itinerary composed of the segments now but with incorrect dates (and no stopover) and change dates later. I've started down this path already as I have SFO-TPE-CNX but with no stopover in TPE...thinking I'd be able to change the TPE-CNX date when 12/25 inventory becomes bookable. I'd also have to make a strawman return (BKK-SFO) and keep changing the date for that.
FWIW, I'm MP Plat. Advice is greatly appreciated.
1) Get each award segment individually as it becomes available? If I do this, then I'll spend more miles for the outbound OWs...will it get re-priced/refunded when I book my award return?
2) Book an itinerary composed of the segments now but with incorrect dates (and no stopover) and change dates later. I've started down this path already as I have SFO-TPE-CNX but with no stopover in TPE...thinking I'd be able to change the TPE-CNX date when 12/25 inventory becomes bookable. I'd also have to make a strawman return (BKK-SFO) and keep changing the date for that.
FWIW, I'm MP Plat. Advice is greatly appreciated.
You do want to get all your flights in place by Jan. 31, to avoid the higher award redemption rates. So yes, if your desired return date is not available by Jan. 31, book the flights you want BKK-SFO and change the dates later. Make sure they are precisely the flights you want, because if you change anything except the date, your award will likely reprice at the new rates.
Note that Christmas is a very low volume travel day.
TG has very cheap flights CNX-BKK.
#95
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: BOS
Programs: UA 1K, PC Platinum Ambassador
Posts: 62
Is it possible to book Asia-NA via Europe using multicity? The search errors out each time on me - wondering if the answer is just "call", or if I'm doing something wrong. Thanks.
#97
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: LAX/VNY (Hometown: CAK)
Programs: Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Bonvoy Gold, Regal Diamond
Posts: 743
I'm looking to book US-Europe. I'm flying from LAX, my friend will be joining me from BOS. I'm booking two RTs using my miles.
What's the best approach to book this? We obviously want to be on the same flights. Is it possible to book using the same PNR? That is to say:
LAX-[Gateway]-Europe
BOS-[Gateway]-Europe
Or, alternatively, if BOS is used as the gateway, can I do LAX-BOS-Europe and keep my friend's BOS-Europe?
What's the best approach to book this? We obviously want to be on the same flights. Is it possible to book using the same PNR? That is to say:
LAX-[Gateway]-Europe
BOS-[Gateway]-Europe
Or, alternatively, if BOS is used as the gateway, can I do LAX-BOS-Europe and keep my friend's BOS-Europe?
#98
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AS 75K; UA 1MM; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott LTP; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 56,470
I'm looking to book US-Europe. I'm flying from LAX, my friend will be joining me from BOS. I'm booking two RTs using my miles.
What's the best approach to book this? We obviously want to be on the same flights. Is it possible to book using the same PNR? That is to say:
LAX-[Gateway]-Europe
BOS-[Gateway]-Europe
Or, alternatively, if BOS is used as the gateway, can I do LAX-BOS-Europe and keep my friend's BOS-Europe?
What's the best approach to book this? We obviously want to be on the same flights. Is it possible to book using the same PNR? That is to say:
LAX-[Gateway]-Europe
BOS-[Gateway]-Europe
Or, alternatively, if BOS is used as the gateway, can I do LAX-BOS-Europe and keep my friend's BOS-Europe?
#99
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: LAX/VNY (Hometown: CAK)
Programs: Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Bonvoy Gold, Regal Diamond
Posts: 743
We'll still be able to use *G Lounges, since I'll be the *G member, and he'll be the +1 guest. I was just trying to avoid the headache of booking one long trip (I'm planning on using the maximum 8 segments) then having to do the same thing all over again.
#100
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Washington DC
Programs: United, AA, Avianca
Posts: 249
is this middleast/aus routing valid?
Would this routing work for 80K in Y?
USA-SYD (stopover)-JED (destination)// JED-USA or alternatively KHI-USA
I've been told a similar routing works via Asia instead of Aus for 65K in Y.
A little nervous about calling them to check. I didn't have luck doing it online.
Any help is appreciated? Cheers!
USA-SYD (stopover)-JED (destination)// JED-USA or alternatively KHI-USA
I've been told a similar routing works via Asia instead of Aus for 65K in Y.
A little nervous about calling them to check. I didn't have luck doing it online.
Any help is appreciated? Cheers!
#101
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: PSM
Posts: 69,232
Not likely. Some agents might force it through but generally your options between North America and Australia are either non-stops, Hawaii, North Asia or South Asia as UA defines the award zones (not the IATA definitions of those regions).
And there's almost no chance of getting SYD marked as the stopover and JED or KWI as the destination rather than SYD as the destination.
And there's almost no chance of getting SYD marked as the stopover and JED or KWI as the destination rather than SYD as the destination.
#102
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Washington DC
Programs: United, AA, Avianca
Posts: 249
Ok, would this work for 65K in Y?
USA-Indonesia (stopover)-JED // KHI-EUR-USA.
My understanding is that middle east w Asia counts as asia price.
TIA!
USA-Indonesia (stopover)-JED // KHI-EUR-USA.
My understanding is that middle east w Asia counts as asia price.
TIA!
#103
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: AA ExPlat, DL Plat, Hyatt Diamond, SPG Plat, Hertz PC
Posts: 109
Hey Everyone,
First time booking a ticket with UA miles and had a routing question. Currently I have booked EWR-BRU(12 hour connection)-MUC-BKK(Stopover)-ICN(Destination)-JFK. We'll be in BKK for 6 days and from what I've gathered, that's way too much time. Would it be valid to tack on BKK-HKT where HKT would become my destination and then open jaw from BKK-ICN? Based on what I've read, I believe this is valid but wanted to get someone else's take before I call.
To summarize is EWR-BRU(12 hour connection)-MUC-BKK(4 hour connection)-HKT(Stopover) then BKK-ICN(Destination)-JFK valid routing? I would buy a revenue ticket from HKT back to BKK.
First time booking a ticket with UA miles and had a routing question. Currently I have booked EWR-BRU(12 hour connection)-MUC-BKK(Stopover)-ICN(Destination)-JFK. We'll be in BKK for 6 days and from what I've gathered, that's way too much time. Would it be valid to tack on BKK-HKT where HKT would become my destination and then open jaw from BKK-ICN? Based on what I've read, I believe this is valid but wanted to get someone else's take before I call.
To summarize is EWR-BRU(12 hour connection)-MUC-BKK(4 hour connection)-HKT(Stopover) then BKK-ICN(Destination)-JFK valid routing? I would buy a revenue ticket from HKT back to BKK.
#104
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: LAX/BUR
Posts: 525
Help with an award ticket!
I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible to include either the Maldives or maybe even the Seychelles into a Dubai award trip... something along the lines of this:
EWR-CDG (<24 hour layover)
CDG-AUH (destination)
DXB-MLE (stopover)
MLE-LAX
Obviously I would have to include some additional connections in there to get to MLE, but would this work? Or is there anyway I could switch this around to get it to work for 80-85K RT. I'd be booking after Feb. 1st.
Thanks for any help!
EWR-CDG (<24 hour layover)
CDG-AUH (destination)
DXB-MLE (stopover)
MLE-LAX
Obviously I would have to include some additional connections in there to get to MLE, but would this work? Or is there anyway I could switch this around to get it to work for 80-85K RT. I'd be booking after Feb. 1st.
Thanks for any help!
#105
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 36
routing through asia
I'm looking to go to Europe from the west coast of the US by booking a one way using united miles for one direction and Singapore airlines miles for the other. Can you route a 1-way from US->Europe or Europe-> through Asia using mileage plus miles or Singapore airlines miles?