"Expert Mode" Changes
#301


Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 1,164
Hi Everyone,
I can certainly appreciate the feedback on this particular topic. I’ve responded to a fair number of PMs tonight and I do want to at least offer a bit of clarification here in the thread as well. I know there’s no explanation that will make the current state better for those of you here. But, at the end of the day, the way in which the information was shared was truly causing issues and confusion for an extremely broad audience. This is what drove the change. This information displays for all customers and there is no ‘expert mode’ setting as there was on the previous site. So, turning it off, as a first step, really is helping mitigate a large volume of issues that our front line co-workers and other customers are experiencing.
Getting this information back into the hands of the “right” users is our next step. As many of you have suggested, the solution lies somewhere between adding this information as an option in a profile setting to providing even more detail in much smarter ways. I would never couch this as a “change we expect anyone to like”. I can appreciate that it’s seen as a take away. We are committed to making this information more robust and useful though – especially for our expert travelers. I know it can't happen quickly enough.
Shannon
I can certainly appreciate the feedback on this particular topic. I’ve responded to a fair number of PMs tonight and I do want to at least offer a bit of clarification here in the thread as well. I know there’s no explanation that will make the current state better for those of you here. But, at the end of the day, the way in which the information was shared was truly causing issues and confusion for an extremely broad audience. This is what drove the change. This information displays for all customers and there is no ‘expert mode’ setting as there was on the previous site. So, turning it off, as a first step, really is helping mitigate a large volume of issues that our front line co-workers and other customers are experiencing.
Getting this information back into the hands of the “right” users is our next step. As many of you have suggested, the solution lies somewhere between adding this information as an option in a profile setting to providing even more detail in much smarter ways. I would never couch this as a “change we expect anyone to like”. I can appreciate that it’s seen as a take away. We are committed to making this information more robust and useful though – especially for our expert travelers. I know it can't happen quickly enough.
Shannon
#302




Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA
Programs: 1K 1MM; Bonvoy Ambassador; Nat'l EE; Hertz PC; Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 2,600
So because no other airline offers it, when it's taken away it's not a big deal?? That's like saying since nobody else had E+ 3 years ago it should've gone away. These things are differentiators, they're what build loyalty. Certain fare bucket displays are used mostly by in the know FF's but if it's this now, what's next???
#303
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: West Coast USA
Programs: UA GS/4 MM, AA Exec Plat, Lifetime Hilton D, Hyatt G, Marriott Titanium earned Ambassador
Posts: 7,553
There is nothing pleasant about UA let alone any announcement UA Insider may make. Only bad customer unfriendly news.
I've noticed lately when gate agents ask Uniformed Service Members and GS to board first there is often no GS. None on my flight this evening either in the F cabin.
I've noticed lately when gate agents ask Uniformed Service Members and GS to board first there is often no GS. None on my flight this evening either in the F cabin.
#304


Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SEA
Programs: Atmos Platinum
Posts: 848
Hi Everyone,
I can certainly appreciate the feedback on this particular topic. I’ve responded to a fair number of PMs tonight and I do want to at least offer a bit of clarification here in the thread as well. I know there’s no explanation that will make the current state better for those of you here. But, at the end of the day, the way in which the information was shared was truly causing issues and confusion for an extremely broad audience. This is what drove the change. This information displays for all customers and there is no ‘expert mode’ setting as there was on the previous site. So, turning it off, as a first step, really is helping mitigate a large volume of issues that our front line co-workers and other customers are experiencing.
Getting this information back into the hands of the “right” users is our next step. As many of you have suggested, the solution lies somewhere between adding this information as an option in a profile setting to providing even more detail in much smarter ways. I would never couch this as a “change we expect anyone to like”. I can appreciate that it’s seen as a take away. We are committed to making this information more robust and useful though – especially for our expert travelers. I know it can't happen quickly enough.
Shannon
I can certainly appreciate the feedback on this particular topic. I’ve responded to a fair number of PMs tonight and I do want to at least offer a bit of clarification here in the thread as well. I know there’s no explanation that will make the current state better for those of you here. But, at the end of the day, the way in which the information was shared was truly causing issues and confusion for an extremely broad audience. This is what drove the change. This information displays for all customers and there is no ‘expert mode’ setting as there was on the previous site. So, turning it off, as a first step, really is helping mitigate a large volume of issues that our front line co-workers and other customers are experiencing.
Getting this information back into the hands of the “right” users is our next step. As many of you have suggested, the solution lies somewhere between adding this information as an option in a profile setting to providing even more detail in much smarter ways. I would never couch this as a “change we expect anyone to like”. I can appreciate that it’s seen as a take away. We are committed to making this information more robust and useful though – especially for our expert travelers. I know it can't happen quickly enough.
Shannon
I just made 1K this week after moving from AS last year. I tolerated all of the MP changes, IT issues, and operations problems. This tempers my excitement, and I am starting to regret switching to UA.
We don't all try to game the system.
PS - I met you in June at the SFO tour, and you seem like a person who genuinely listens. I don't blame you; I blame the top UA management.
Last edited by uwr; Sep 7, 2012 at 11:55 pm
#305




Join Date: Oct 2009
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 311
This is terrible. The one thing I really, really liked about the site! Absolutely a slap in the fact of top fliers. Grrrrrr.
#306
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: BOS/EAP
Programs: UA 1K, AS MVP Gold, MR LTT, HH Dia, IHG Dia, Amex Plat
Posts: 37,472
#307


Join Date: May 2005
Location: Houston (IAH,HOU) / Kāʻanapali (JHM,OGG)
Programs: UA
Posts: 972
Please considering delaying this change until you have the replacement system in place.
#308




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA GS MM, Marriott Life Plat, Hyatt Globalist, Southwest Alist pref, various others of little note
Posts: 2,873
I feel bad for Shannon. She has to comply with the messaging gnomes and various counterproductive decisions by the masters of the universe who think they can do no wrong and view us as a bunch of spoiled whiners (and impression not helped tonight). I'm sure they think they don't need us as long as they have their precious kettle gold mine.
I'm guessing Shannon told them we would react like this, and that it's stupid to just arbitrarily take this action without the path forward already in place. Many of UA's elite flyers are drifting away, but I don't think it's enough to get on the radars of said masters of the universe and the rubber stampers they "answer" to.
I'm guessing Shannon told them we would react like this, and that it's stupid to just arbitrarily take this action without the path forward already in place. Many of UA's elite flyers are drifting away, but I don't think it's enough to get on the radars of said masters of the universe and the rubber stampers they "answer" to.
#309

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: DEN
Programs: UA Plat, 1MM
Posts: 2,181
OK, so I was wrong. But it took over 300 posts...
#311
Moderator: Mileage Run, United Airlines; FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The City/Honolulu
Programs: UA 3MM; Hyatt Glob*****; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,491
#312
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Arlington, VA
Programs: UA 1K, AA PLT, SPG PLT
Posts: 1,612
So you mean to tell me it's easier to remove the 10 lines of code that currently make this display than it is to add 1 column to the user profile table, a checkbox on the profile page and the 1 line of logic to check if the user has enabled the setting??? Whomever is running your web division should be fired on the spot (should've been months ago). This is seriously something that any skilled .net programmer could implement in a matter of minutes. I'd do it for free and I'm sure sbm12 would too. This continues to be insane...
All I can think of is ......... 'jeffy jeff' Smisek touting his really cool "APPS" which he has no clue of what they actually do or how to use anything...but of course, he thinks his 'largest airline in the world' is such a great company.
Either he is a complete idiot and doesn't realise any of the truths or he is really good at deflecting criticism and milking money out of ignorant kettles...well at least he has been, but that will most likely change with the next few changes he makes.
Stupid UA - I'm glad my 3 years of 1K have been met with something much more important - EXP at AA
#313




Join Date: Oct 2009
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 311
Yes, other airlines don't have it. But it is effectively available to the public in that all travel agents can see it as well.
Further, it is important to note that UA loyal-flyers base their loyalty on the features UA does offer, not what other airlines don't offer. And UA loyal flyers make decisions to tolerate negative things on UA but not on competitors in exchange for positive things that UA has (for example DL & AA with no min fare class for int'l upgrades and AA with 8 upgrades vs. UA with 6).
Many folks like me have long treasured the ability to see not only R and award availability, but also how many seats in each class are available which allows more flexibility in timing of my purchases.
So it is quite fair and reasonable to be upset when a feature which many treasured and heavily relied upon is yanked away from us. Not cool.
#314
FlyerTalk Evangelist


Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: LAX
Posts: 11,597
I can tolerate operational issues, system transition, integration bugs etc etc however actions like this erode the transparency that was a foundation of my business with ua.
#315
Join Date: Dec 2009
Programs: United 1K Hilton Gold
Posts: 139
+1 on another potential 1K going away due to this.
What I don't understand, that if the "confusion" statement is to be true, is the little bit of extra confusion caused worth the amount of high-end customers that will stop buying high-end tickets? Or do they believe that will not happen (people will blindly buy W fares?)
The call volume will increase in the short-term, as the hordes of us make phone calls to get the information we simply pulled from United.com. I will call every day seeing if inventory has freed up for the list of flights I have upcoming. I realize not everyone has time to be this persistent, but I have to imagine quite a few 1Ks spend a lot of time sitting in airports and hotel rooms, with cell phones with unlimited minutes and plenty of battery life.
I know Shannon the United Insider is just the messenger, but to echo the sentiments of the other 300 posts, her bosses are either extremely incompetent and short sighted, and plain and simple lying.
The worse part is, I don't see how this makes United more money. Most evil I can appreciate if it's profitable, but will anyone actually buy more TODs just cause they can't see R inventory? For the most part, seeing the packed inventory might actually convince me that buying it is the right move. With no information, 99.99% of people will accept their fate in economy and hope for the freebie. United loses money on the deal, and then thousands from loyal customers on international tickets.
Anyway, I'll finish the trips I already have scheduled, burn up mine and wife's miles accounts (another 1K), and next year enjoy 1K status on a handful of flights while the majority of my travels will be on another carrier.
What I don't understand, that if the "confusion" statement is to be true, is the little bit of extra confusion caused worth the amount of high-end customers that will stop buying high-end tickets? Or do they believe that will not happen (people will blindly buy W fares?)
The call volume will increase in the short-term, as the hordes of us make phone calls to get the information we simply pulled from United.com. I will call every day seeing if inventory has freed up for the list of flights I have upcoming. I realize not everyone has time to be this persistent, but I have to imagine quite a few 1Ks spend a lot of time sitting in airports and hotel rooms, with cell phones with unlimited minutes and plenty of battery life.
I know Shannon the United Insider is just the messenger, but to echo the sentiments of the other 300 posts, her bosses are either extremely incompetent and short sighted, and plain and simple lying.
The worse part is, I don't see how this makes United more money. Most evil I can appreciate if it's profitable, but will anyone actually buy more TODs just cause they can't see R inventory? For the most part, seeing the packed inventory might actually convince me that buying it is the right move. With no information, 99.99% of people will accept their fate in economy and hope for the freebie. United loses money on the deal, and then thousands from loyal customers on international tickets.
Anyway, I'll finish the trips I already have scheduled, burn up mine and wife's miles accounts (another 1K), and next year enjoy 1K status on a handful of flights while the majority of my travels will be on another carrier.


