UAs Official Response to HKG Ticketing/IT Error: Redeem @ Correct Amount or Redeposit
#1306
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Programs: Hilton G/SPG G/IHG RA/Accor P/Aeroplan Elite/CZ S
Posts: 73
Another one has already finished his first two segments and landed at HKG about 16 hr ago.
#1307
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
A DDF member has already flown and returned from HKG unscathed, booked from an account with just 1,000 miles in it.
#1308
Join Date: Apr 2004
Programs: AA, UA, SQ, VA, QF, AF, BA
Posts: 2,865
I don't have a dog in this fight but I am just wondering how this mistake could have happened in the first place? HKG is in the South Asia zone, China is in the North Asia zone so it wasn't a misprogramming of a zone award. Hong Kong uses HKD and China uses CNY so it's not the currency. It seems to me it has to be deliberate-someone at UA, maybe in the Chinese office wanted his family to get cheap tickets or something so he messed with the programming, then couldn't switch it back. Or a disgruntled employee who was made redundant could have done it on purpose. I just can't see how this could have been a real glitch to have that effect. A real glitch would have been leaving off a few decimal places or something.
Are there any computer experts here who can explain how this could have happened? Just curious!
Also, since this wasn't a "fire sale" or we all would have gotten emails to promote it, it seemed to have been spread by bloggers and on forums. The people spreading it were experienced enough to know that it was a glitch but kept urging people to hurry up and get in on it and "don't call the airline". Would they have some shared responsibility in the financial liability of UA if they honor these tickets?
What went viral on English language forums and blogs is probably only the tip of the iceberg, there must be thousands of Chinese language speakers who spread this around too.
Are there any computer experts here who can explain how this could have happened? Just curious!
Also, since this wasn't a "fire sale" or we all would have gotten emails to promote it, it seemed to have been spread by bloggers and on forums. The people spreading it were experienced enough to know that it was a glitch but kept urging people to hurry up and get in on it and "don't call the airline". Would they have some shared responsibility in the financial liability of UA if they honor these tickets?
What went viral on English language forums and blogs is probably only the tip of the iceberg, there must be thousands of Chinese language speakers who spread this around too.
#1309
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Programs: Hilton G/SPG G/IHG RA/Accor P/Aeroplan Elite/CZ S
Posts: 73
I don't have a dog in this fight but I am just wondering how this mistake could have happened in the first place? HKG is in the South Asia zone, China is in the North Asia zone so it wasn't a misprogramming of a zone award. Hong Kong uses HKD and China uses CNY so it's not the currency. It seems to me it has to be deliberate-someone at UA, maybe in the Chinese office wanted his family to get cheap tickets or something so he messed with the programming, then couldn't switch it back. Or a disgruntled employee who was made redundant could have done it on purpose. I just can't see how this could have been a real glitch to have that effect. A real glitch would have been leaving off a few decimal places or something.
Are there any computer experts here who can explain how this could have happened? Just curious!
Also, since this wasn't a "fire sale" or we all would have gotten emails to promote it, it seemed to have been spread by bloggers and on forums. The people spreading it were experienced enough to know that it was a glitch but kept urging people to hurry up and get in on it and "don't call the airline". Would they have some shared responsibility in the financial liability of UA if they honor these tickets?
What went viral on English language forums and blogs is probably only the tip of the iceberg, there must be thousands of Chinese language speakers who spread this around too.
Are there any computer experts here who can explain how this could have happened? Just curious!
Also, since this wasn't a "fire sale" or we all would have gotten emails to promote it, it seemed to have been spread by bloggers and on forums. The people spreading it were experienced enough to know that it was a glitch but kept urging people to hurry up and get in on it and "don't call the airline". Would they have some shared responsibility in the financial liability of UA if they honor these tickets?
What went viral on English language forums and blogs is probably only the tip of the iceberg, there must be thousands of Chinese language speakers who spread this around too.
#1310
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 267
I don't have a dog in this fight but I am just wondering how this mistake could have happened in the first place? HKG is in the South Asia zone, China is in the North Asia zone so it wasn't a misprogramming of a zone award. Hong Kong uses HKD and China uses CNY so it's not the currency. It seems to me it has to be deliberate-someone at UA, maybe in the Chinese office wanted his family to get cheap tickets or something so he messed with the programming, then couldn't switch it back. Or a disgruntled employee who was made redundant could have done it on purpose. I just can't see how this could have been a real glitch to have that effect. A real glitch would have been leaving off a few decimal places or something.
Are there any computer experts here who can explain how this could have happened? Just curious!
Also, since this wasn't a "fire sale" or we all would have gotten emails to promote it, it seemed to have been spread by bloggers and on forums. The people spreading it were experienced enough to know that it was a glitch but kept urging people to hurry up and get in on it and "don't call the airline". Would they have some shared responsibility in the financial liability of UA if they honor these tickets?
What went viral on English language forums and blogs is probably only the tip of the iceberg, there must be thousands of Chinese language speakers who spread this around too.
Are there any computer experts here who can explain how this could have happened? Just curious!
Also, since this wasn't a "fire sale" or we all would have gotten emails to promote it, it seemed to have been spread by bloggers and on forums. The people spreading it were experienced enough to know that it was a glitch but kept urging people to hurry up and get in on it and "don't call the airline". Would they have some shared responsibility in the financial liability of UA if they honor these tickets?
What went viral on English language forums and blogs is probably only the tip of the iceberg, there must be thousands of Chinese language speakers who spread this around too.
At this point, we are outsiders who do not know the details of what went wrong.
#1311
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago USA
Programs: *A Junkie, SQ PPS, Skywards Gold, 2 Million Mile Flyer;*wood LT Plat, BA MM
Posts: 1,762
Truly unbelievable, I would have booked every single week-end for the next 52 weeks. If I didn't want to go, I would cancel, plain and simple. Leave Friday, come back Sunday. Back and forth.
I'm really happy for those who go in on this, I am just amazed. Simply amazed. I love LOVE it!
UG
So let me get this straight, ORD to HKG 4 miles F Class,
ORD to HKG to SYD 4 miles (on other airlines as well?) F Class
SFO to PEK/ or was it just from PEK to SFO?
SFO to HKG 4 miles F class
EWR to HKG 4 miles F class
I'm really happy for those who go in on this, I am just amazed. Simply amazed. I love LOVE it!
UG
ORD to HKG to SYD 4 miles (on other airlines as well?) F Class
SFO to PEK/ or was it just from PEK to SFO?
SFO to HKG 4 miles F class
EWR to HKG 4 miles F class
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Jul 18, 2012 at 11:55 pm Reason: Merge consecutive posts of same member.
#1312
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago
Programs: UA GS 1MM, CM PP
Posts: 689
Truly unbelievable, I would have booked every single week-end for the next 52 weeks. If I didn't want to go, I would cancel, plain and simple. Leave Friday, come back Sunday. Back and forth.
I'm really happy for those who go in on this, I am just amazed. Simply amazed. I love LOVE it!
UG
I'm really happy for those who go in on this, I am just amazed. Simply amazed. I love LOVE it!
UG
Edit: I suppose partner airlines would be a step up, but still not worth it IMO.
#1313
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: PHL, EWR
Programs: UA Gold; AA; Amtrak Select Plus;HH Diamond;Hyatt Disc;Hertz PC; Total Wine Grand Reserve!
Posts: 2,402
I'm flying to SIN via HKG both ways and got the 4 mile deal.
#1314
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Long Beach, CA
Programs: AA PLTPRO, HH Diamond, IHG Plat, Marriott Plat, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 3,559
^ to those who booked it and flew it.
I got in on the SQ awards which I was already pretty darn happy about.
But, this totally trumps that!
Given that UA has been sticking it to me for 50K mi that they incorrectly refuse to refund on a cancelled award, I'll look at this as karma coming back to bite them.
Congrats to all of you!
I got in on the SQ awards which I was already pretty darn happy about.
But, this totally trumps that!
Given that UA has been sticking it to me for 50K mi that they incorrectly refuse to refund on a cancelled award, I'll look at this as karma coming back to bite them.
Congrats to all of you!
#1315
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Oakland
Posts: 199
Looks like some website issues relating to this 4 mile award still exist. Here's what I see when I try to change dates (still same type of award - saver first - as I originally booked):
This is quite confusing. It pretty clearly says that the original ticket and the new ticket have the same cost both in miles (4) and dollars ($68.70). However, under price difference, it wants to charge me 139,996 more miles and refund me $4.20. Where did the $4.20 come from???
Also, for the record, I booked this off of a hold. So, at the time when I entered my credit card info for the taxes and clicked confirm, EVERYTHING that I saw said a charge of 4 miles. There was no mention of any other mileage amount.
Original Ticket
1 award
4 miles
Additional taxes/fees
$68.70
New Ticket
1 award
4 miles
Additional taxes/fees
$68.70
Change fee
$0.00
Price Difference
Miles due
139,996 miles
Refund**
$4.20
Additional charge
$0.00
**A $4.20 refund will be applied to the form of payment previously used for the original award ticket taxes and fees.
1 award
4 miles
Additional taxes/fees
$68.70
New Ticket
1 award
4 miles
Additional taxes/fees
$68.70
Change fee
$0.00
Price Difference
Miles due
139,996 miles
Refund**
$4.20
Additional charge
$0.00
**A $4.20 refund will be applied to the form of payment previously used for the original award ticket taxes and fees.
Also, for the record, I booked this off of a hold. So, at the time when I entered my credit card info for the taxes and clicked confirm, EVERYTHING that I saw said a charge of 4 miles. There was no mention of any other mileage amount.
#1317
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York Metropolitan Area 45 km from JFK
Programs: UA,AA,AS,BA
Posts: 4,607
I have a screenshot of exactly that last booking page. Only 4 miles and $ 48.10 in taxes nothing else.
#1318
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago USA
Programs: *A Junkie, SQ PPS, Skywards Gold, 2 Million Mile Flyer;*wood LT Plat, BA MM
Posts: 1,762
You guys are famous!
#1319
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 60137
Posts: 10,498
You guys are famous!
#1320
Join Date: Oct 2011
Programs: SkyMiles Gold, AA Plat, UA Gold
Posts: 92
I've got a question about DoT regs if anyone can help. Do they have authority over UA tickets because point of sale is in the US or only if flights touchdown in the US? ie, will they treat tickets that never touch US soil differently? Mostly just curious as I'm doing ORD-HKG but wonder if there are any tickets where people don't land in the US.