Jun 30, 2013, 2:46 pm
CO/UA Million Mile (and Beyond) Flyer Benefits, Effective Spring 2012
Feb 2, 2012, 6:24 pm
#2536
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: SNA and XRY
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Just want to make sure you saw this...
5. Creation of "Premier Platinum" downgrading lifetime Premier Executive; Impact: your best flyers have lifetime third tier status; before the introduction of Platinum, it was second.
In addition, the redeemable mile bonus reductions to the Gold level reduce the incentive to book the next itinerary on United versus another Star carrier. This is not only a devaluation to the Mileage Plus program generally, but especially to current Million Milers who directed corporate and personal travel exclusively to United Airlines in order to achieve Million Mile status.
5. Creation of "Premier Platinum" downgrading lifetime Premier Executive; Impact: your best flyers have lifetime third tier status; before the introduction of Platinum, it was second.
In addition, the redeemable mile bonus reductions to the Gold level reduce the incentive to book the next itinerary on United versus another Star carrier. This is not only a devaluation to the Mileage Plus program generally, but especially to current Million Milers who directed corporate and personal travel exclusively to United Airlines in order to achieve Million Mile status.
Feb 2, 2012, 7:19 pm
#2537
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I hadn't fully internalized what the impact of Plat would mean to someone like myself that would be "new version" of Gold so I did not document it.
For instance, gold loses to Plat but at 2MM Plat is better in some ways than premier exec (eg fee waivers).
However the loss of RDM bonus % is easy to document - it is really a Lucy pulling the football move for folks that spent considerable money and effort to achieve 1P for life.
For instance, gold loses to Plat but at 2MM Plat is better in some ways than premier exec (eg fee waivers).
However the loss of RDM bonus % is easy to document - it is really a Lucy pulling the football move for folks that spent considerable money and effort to achieve 1P for life.
Feb 2, 2012, 7:31 pm
#2538
Join Date: Jan 2007
Programs: Platinum, MM - SPG lifetime Gold
Posts: 73
Still confused. I am going to hit 1 million in a few months. Does my designated person get Gold/Premier Executive status or my 1K status as long as I maintain?
Feb 2, 2012, 7:38 pm
#2539
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Feb 2, 2012, 8:01 pm
#2540
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Mishawaka, IN
Programs: Hilton Silver, Best West Gold, United Gold
Posts: 310
Feb 2, 2012, 8:14 pm
#2541
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago USA
Programs: *A Junkie, SQ PPS, Skywards Gold, 2 Million Mile Flyer;*wood LT Plat, BA MM
Posts: 1,762
Feb 2, 2012, 8:27 pm
#2542
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: UA 1K/MM, MC Life Plat, HH Gold
Posts: 722
Joel, think about this - yes, it's not written in "big boy" words. But we don't want people on the outside reading this to look and think that it's elitist or "legal" sounding. Because the petition isn't in the professional tone of uastarflyer's, (which by the way I put every one of his points) I wanted anyone who reads this to know that we are ordinary people just like them who feel have been wronged.
Similarly the United Board of Directors is probably not composed of "kettles", and we'll do better if they view us as people like themselves, able to see past their company's simplistic and misleading marketing messages to the underlying reality.
The third important constituency will be the journalists who will hopefully report the story. A concise outline of the issues will help them easily understand the story and they'll likely use posted comments and interviews of other flyers to add the emotional component for their audience.
Feb 2, 2012, 8:41 pm
#2543
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago USA
Programs: *A Junkie, SQ PPS, Skywards Gold, 2 Million Mile Flyer;*wood LT Plat, BA MM
Posts: 1,762
I hadn't fully internalized what the impact of Plat would mean to someone like myself that would be "new version" of Gold so I did not document it.
For instance, gold loses to Plat but at 2MM Plat is better in some ways than premier exec (eg fee waivers).
However the loss of RDM bonus % is easy to document - it is really a Lucy pulling the football move for folks that spent considerable money and effort to achieve 1P for life.
For instance, gold loses to Plat but at 2MM Plat is better in some ways than premier exec (eg fee waivers).
However the loss of RDM bonus % is easy to document - it is really a Lucy pulling the football move for folks that spent considerable money and effort to achieve 1P for life.
Like I said before, the ramifications of this are going to be HUGE. Right now it's all talk, but it's going to be an entirely different scenario when it's you and me at the gate. I wish I could see the numbers - how many new *A Gold members and Premier Executives have been created because of this.
We paid and flew 1,000,000 actual miles and we were promised x, y and z - and now, they are putting an entire group of new people into this mix, the majority (not all), who have traveled and spent less than a "true" MM. It's so nasty and under-handed.
In another thread, one of our fellow FTers said (paraphrasing) "I'm happy with the changes, the recalibration added 400K (or whatever) to my lifetime miles, I'm now a MM and permanent PE." Of course he's happy, I would be too, and God Bless him. But for those that put in all the effort to fly the actual miles?
Thanks for your help in re-writing the letter btw, uastarflyer
UG
Actually we're not ordinary people. At the risk of sounding elitist myself, I would venture to guess that people who fly a million miles or more are much more likely to be lawyers, business executives, and other well-educated professionals who will respond better to an appeal that doesn't seem to be talking down to them.
Similarly the United Board of Directors is probably not composed of "kettles", and we'll do better if they view us as people like themselves, able to see past their company's simplistic and misleading marketing messages to the underlying reality.
The third important constituency will be the journalists who will hopefully report the story. A concise outline of the issues will help them easily understand the story and they'll likely use posted comments and interviews of other flyers to add the emotional component for their audience.
Similarly the United Board of Directors is probably not composed of "kettles", and we'll do better if they view us as people like themselves, able to see past their company's simplistic and misleading marketing messages to the underlying reality.
The third important constituency will be the journalists who will hopefully report the story. A concise outline of the issues will help them easily understand the story and they'll likely use posted comments and interviews of other flyers to add the emotional component for their audience.
Last edited by iluv2fly; Feb 2, 2012 at 9:02 pm Reason: merge
Feb 2, 2012, 9:05 pm
#2544
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Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
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Actually we're not ordinary people. At the risk of sounding elitist myself, I would venture to guess that people who fly a million miles or more are much more likely to be lawyers, business executives, and other well-educated professionals who will respond better to an appeal that doesn't seem to be talking down to them.
Similarly the United Board of Directors is probably not composed of "kettles", and we'll do better if they view us as people like themselves, able to see past their company's simplistic and misleading marketing messages to the underlying reality.
The third important constituency will be the journalists who will hopefully report the story. A concise outline of the issues will help them easily understand the story and they'll likely use posted comments and interviews of other flyers to add the emotional component for their audience.
Similarly the United Board of Directors is probably not composed of "kettles", and we'll do better if they view us as people like themselves, able to see past their company's simplistic and misleading marketing messages to the underlying reality.
The third important constituency will be the journalists who will hopefully report the story. A concise outline of the issues will help them easily understand the story and they'll likely use posted comments and interviews of other flyers to add the emotional component for their audience.
Feb 2, 2012, 9:19 pm
#2545
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: UA 1K/MM, MC Life Plat, HH Gold
Posts: 722
Well, pre adjustment I was at 935K lifetime UA miles and made MM after the adjustment. Took about 12 years to get there. I am not a lawyer, business executive or what most would consider a professional. I was a field service Engineer and now an installation representative. so lots more than your designations can and will fly more than 1MM actual BIS and even more with the adjustment will be MM.
Feb 2, 2012, 9:21 pm
#2546
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago USA
Programs: *A Junkie, SQ PPS, Skywards Gold, 2 Million Mile Flyer;*wood LT Plat, BA MM
Posts: 1,762
Well, pre adjustment I was at 935K lifetime UA miles and made MM after the adjustment. Took about 12 years to get there. I am not a lawyer, business executive or what most would consider a professional. I was a field service Engineer and now an installation representative. so lots more than your designations can and will fly more than 1MM actual BIS and even more with the adjustment will be MM.
Of course a person who has travelled one million miles is someone that can add 1+1 but let's face it, if we all bought "A" or "F" class tickets, we wouldn't be here complaining, or at least I wouldn't be. Also, this is not a symposium of like-minded professionals, it's a public webpage for everyone's viewing, and coming across as a bunch of elitists will not help our cause to the general public, of course others may think differently. And that's okay.
I prefer taking the more humble route, if one doesn't feel the same, that's okay too. It takes a village and we all have to live on this earth together.
If you google "Million Miler status United" the WSJ article shows up third with "I really hate it when someone lies to me..."
That's what I mean about getting the word out^^^
Last edited by iluv2fly; Feb 3, 2012 at 9:47 am Reason: merge
Feb 2, 2012, 9:21 pm
#2547
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Location: SFO
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Feb 3, 2012, 2:41 am
#2548
Join Date: May 2006
Location: BOS and ...
Programs: UA 2MM, AA 650k, DL 500k, Hyatt GP 1M, HH Gold, Rad. Gold, CP Gold, Miracle Fruit-su Club
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Orthogonal (adj.)*
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Did a participant in this thread get to Bloomberg? Brilliant.
* In this case, an adverb.
Feb 3, 2012, 3:57 am
#2549
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UrbaneGent - a step in the right direction and I applaud your initiative, but I suspect needing to add a real name and address will see 10% as many votes as you would otherwsie get?
Even having a FT handle option might be OK?
Even having a FT handle option might be OK?
Feb 3, 2012, 4:25 am
#2550
Join Date: May 2006
Location: BOS and ...
Programs: UA 2MM, AA 650k, DL 500k, Hyatt GP 1M, HH Gold, Rad. Gold, CP Gold, Miracle Fruit-su Club
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ozstamps, welcome back. . .
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Hope you're good otherwise with what's been happening lately.
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Hope you're good otherwise with what's been happening lately.