Originally Posted by Dan1113
(Post 32785298)
International travel to be banned, so I read on Twitter.
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Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 32785081)
So how is the experiment in Wales lockdown going - have they seen the number of cases reducing yet, its a good example for Boris to look at to see if it works or not.
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Originally Posted by enviroian
(Post 32785165)
I just spoke with my sister in Kent and she told me about the nationwide lockdown Boris is supposed to announce shortly. 4 weeks? Do you think they are doing this now as to get the infection rate down before the Christmas season when many folks will (despite recommendations that say otherwise) be together?
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Well based on what the PM said it is like March, so just as it was then you can only leave your home for certain reasons. It may be that leaving home to head off on holiday is therefore not one of the reasonable excuses, rather than a ban international travel per se, but of course the effect is the same.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 32785689)
Well based on what the PM said it is like March, so just as it was then you can only leave your home for certain reasons. It may be that leaving home to head off on holiday is therefore not one of the reasonable excuses, rather than a ban international travel per se, but of course the effect is the same.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 32784768)
England (at least) is heading for a country wide lockdown for at least 4 weeks, excluding schools, from Thursday or Friday, from all I've seen, with cabinet committees meeting today and tomorrow.
- All of England to go into Tier 4 from Thursday 5 November. - This will last for 4 weeks as an objective (until 2 December), and then depending on infection levels, each part of England (by senior local authority area) will revert to an appropriate tier level. - Tier 4 means that pubs, restaurants, non-essential shops and businesses will be closed. Hotels will be for essential travellers only. Non essential travel will be restricted, we will need to see the precise wording of the SI. Schools will remain open, higher education institutions will stay open. - Rule of Six becomes the Rule of Two - and outdoors only - or the size of your household. - There will be an overiding premise that non essential travel should stop, specifically for leisure purposes, other than household exercise. The idea is that people stay at home except for essential purposes. - The Travel Corridor system seems moribund for new UK travellers since non essential travel is now restricted. Someone returning to the UK will be OK to use Travel Corridors but only if they did not leave England after Thursday. Travel is allowed for business travel and with it the Travel Corridors, but Tier 4 will stop much of white collar travel anyway. - Discussions are going on with the Home Office for connecting intenrational passengers - HMG will want this to continue but there is a definition issue here so I wouldn't assume this will be OK unless it's for essential purposes. I haven't seen any documents or briefings specifically advising against or prohibiting international leisure travel, we will need to wait a day or two to find out. My guess is that guidelines will prohibit international leisure travel but the law may not specifically say that. I know the travel industry is DMing the Transport Secretary at the moment. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 32785783)
I haven't seen any documents or briefings specifically advising against or prohibiting international leisure travel, we will need to wait a day or two to find out. My guess is that guidelines will prohibit international leisure travel but the law may not specifically say that. I know the travel industry is DMing the Transport Secretary at the moment.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 32785812)
if the law is frames as "don’t leave your house without a reasonable excuse" it is unlikely leaving home to go on holiday will be seen as one, in which case it will have the effect of banning leisure travel anyway.
You could still be put through the mill on your return since after a few weeks the PLF will make it clear that you have been travelling. What we didn't see mentioned today - I was told the wording was removed - was about enforcement generally. Previous such statements have had a few sentences about fines and the role of the police. Possible ray of sunshine: the increased rollout of rapid testing? This would fit in with the Taskforce looking at this, but it would seem out of step with the stay at home message. |
What about inbound international travelers (not UK residents)? I didn't get anything from the press conf that would clarify that. What if I'm visiting friends / family in the UK, quarantining with them for the duration of my stay, and then departing? Not sure if that falls into "leisure". Could also argue that then departing the UK is "essential" in a sense as I'd need to get home and don't want to be stranded there. Need to see exact wording of these regulations as I have a trip to London planned for next weekend...
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Originally Posted by asdf098
(Post 32785835)
What about inbound international travelers (not UK residents)? I didn't get anything from the press conf that would clarify that. What if I'm visiting friends / family in the UK, quarantining with them for the duration of my stay, and then departing? Not sure if that falls into "leisure". Could also argue that then departing the UK is "essential" in a sense as I'd need to get home and don't want to be stranded there. Need to see exact wording of these regulations as I have a trip to London planned for next weekend...
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Originally Posted by asdf098
(Post 32785835)
What about inbound international travelers (not UK residents)? I didn't get anything from the press conf that would clarify that. What if I'm visiting friends / family in the UK, quarantining with them for the duration of my stay, and then departing? Not sure if that falls into "leisure". Could also argue that then departing the UK is "essential" in a sense as I'd need to get home and don't want to be stranded there. Need to see exact wording of these regulations as I have a trip to London planned for next weekend...
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...avel-to-the-uk See the bit about: You should self-isolate in one place for the full self-isolation period, where you can have food and other necessities delivered, and stay away from others. You must self-isolate at the address you provided on the public health passenger locator form. This can include:
You should not have visitors, including friends and family, unless they are providing: Although there is no practical enforcement - which, I suspect, is why so much of this goes wrong! |
Originally Posted by asdf098
(Post 32785835)
What about inbound international travelers (not UK residents)? I didn't get anything from the press conf that would clarify that. What if I'm visiting friends / family in the UK, quarantining with them for the duration of my stay, and then departing? Not sure if that falls into "leisure". Could also argue that then departing the UK is "essential" in a sense as I'd need to get home and don't want to be stranded there. Need to see exact wording of these regulations as I have a trip to London planned for next weekend...
A certain political aid had the same argument about quarantining with family during the first lockdown and we know what the popular opinion on that was! |
Originally Posted by asdf098
(Post 32785835)
What about inbound international travelers (not UK residents)? I didn't get anything from the press conf that would clarify that. What if I'm visiting friends / family in the UK, quarantining with them for the duration of my stay, and then departing? Not sure if that falls into "leisure". Could also argue that then departing the UK is "essential" in a sense as I'd need to get home and don't want to be stranded there. Need to see exact wording of these regulations as I have a trip to London planned for next weekend...
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