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Originally Posted by HB7
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Its frustrating seeing people being faulted for wanting to travel where their travel is deemed non-essential and these people are made to feel like criminals. Not all of us are wanting to go party in Dubai or sit on a beach somewhere - some of do need to travel and see family. All the talk now is "how dare people think of a summer holiday when there is a pandemic". But for millions of us, we want to travel: not to go on holiday, but to see family.
I have family here in the UK, France and Germany, as well as Australia. I have given up any hope of seeing my parents and siblings in Australia till late next year. But in my opinion, I need to travel to Europe to see family. But just because my "needs" don't fit in the "essential" category, I can't go anywhere. I'm not sitting here complaining, but there are millions like me all across the country. I don't care if I don't have a summer holiday till 2022 or 23 - but I'd like to see my family. This is where the frustration comes from. And then we have these so called experts sit there and make people out to be criminals and 'spoilt children'. Just like last year |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33030269)
The people writing that are mainly people who only have left their village to get drunk in Spain. Let them be. No one really wants to travel right now so not much pressure. This will change in the spring when we open up, europe opens up then they can’t stop it after that.
Just like last year |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33030111)
devi Sridhar wants the country’s borders closed forever. If you support that then fine, it’s just an opinion after all. Everyone can have opinions, ‘expert’ or not. Scientists usually get paid regardless they don’t really have a living to make.
And in 2018 she warned of the risk of infectious disease spreading from animals to humans with transmission travelling to the UK from China. So she got a couple of things right ....... |
Another U turn, shortly after Vaccine Minister said we wouldn't have them:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...orrow-12215228 |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 33030197)
40-60 years ago, what proportion of UK-born UK citizens even got beyond the UK/Ireland domain for non-work trips within any given year?
Conversely, London has, for centuries, been one of the most connected places on earth so it's likely that a) it has always had a higher proportion of people going abroad in any one year and b) it derives a greater proportion of its wealth from business travel. As a side note, by grandfather used to travel for business before the First World War. I am concerned that, to have too many barriers to business travel for too long will cause irreparable damage to the economy. Tourism can wait. |
The puzzling thing about the travel ban is that it's for people leaving the country. If the stated concern that we don't want to import COVID because our hospitals might become overwhelmed, then I cannot see why people leaving the country will do anything but good.
I recognise that they need to return eventually, but the testing and quarantine regime is there for that and will do an excellent job of deterring casual trips, and yet won't deter necessary trips. IMHO, that's the way it should be handled, rather than banning people from leaving, which is simply aping the communist bloc of the 80s. |
Originally Posted by lhrsfo
(Post 33030885)
The puzzling thing about the travel ban is that it's for people leaving the country. If the stated concern that we don't want to import COVID because our hospitals might become overwhelmed, then I cannot see why people leaving the country will do anything but good.
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Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33030826)
Another U turn, shortly after Vaccine Minister said we wouldn't have them:
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine -and-testing-certificates-to-be-discussed-by-ministers-tomorrow-12215228 |
Originally Posted by stut
(Post 33030096)
Is that first or second jag, though
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Originally Posted by NickB
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Has there been a change of government and has Matt Hancock been replaced by John Prescott? ;)
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The pressure campaign to open up has started (the article iincludes a picture of BoJo looking like former Inter striker Christian "Bobo" Vieri on a training day after a night's partying):
Pressure for return to tiers as London Covid cases carry on falling Boris Johnson is coming under growing pressure to decide whether to ease lockdown nationally or return to the tier system as the Covid-19 rate falls faster in London than other regions. The capital’s seven-day coronavirus rate has fallen below both the North-East and North-West, official figures reveal today. [...] Some MPs in London are urging Mr Johnson to ease lockdown with a return to the tier system rather than wait for all of them to have sufficiently low rates to lift restrictions on a nationwide basis. [...] Eleven boroughs — in a strip down central London from Enfield to Wandsworth and Lewisham — have a seven-day rate below 200, a level which is far below those of more than 1,000 in early January. |
I imagine, as we often do, in the next few days or so (hopefully) leaks will start begin with what is in store for the 22nd of Feb. With 500k people vaccinated today, the government technically needs to only vaccinate 250k people per day to hit its 15 million by Feb 15th target.
With the vaccine rollout going well, cases, deaths and hospitalizations falling, it seems like all the scientists are pushing harder and harder for longer lockdowns. MPs on the other hand, especially conservative backbenchers are pushing for restrictions to begin easing. It'll be interesting how this develops over the next few days till the 22nd. Personally, I'd like scientists to answer, in simple layman terms why we would need restrictions if we have vaccinated all the priority groups (1 - 9). Even if vaccines don't have any effect on transmission (although early data says otherwise), does it matter if people are protected? If Covid-0 is the goal, we may as well shut up shop now for the next few years. |
How does our lockdown compare to other European countries out of interest, ours will be over 2 months by the time we get to 8th March and more if nothing else opens at the same time, for example I don't think Spain has closed schools?
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Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33032891)
How does our lockdown compare to other European countries out of interest, ours will be over 2 months by the time we get to 8th March and more if nothing else opens at the same time, for example I don't think Spain has closed schools?
Case numbers are pretty stable considering that about 25% of cases are the Kent variant, but there are worrying clusters of ZA and BR variants which hit the news over the last 2 days so a lockdown is on the cards now. |
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