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Internaut Feb 9, 2021 10:23 am

Sticking purely with the Worldometers stuff:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Every day last week, deaths were down reasonably sharply, each day, compared to the same day on the prior week. Fingers crossed, it looks like we're seeing that again, this week.

HB7 Feb 9, 2021 10:28 am

NI's CMO has said that lockdowns will need to remain till 70-80% of the population is vaccinated: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56000840

Quoting him now: "We need to be realistic that the current restrictions that we have in place will be in place for a significant part of this year to a greater or lesser extent and into next year as well". I don't know if this will be adopted in England, Scotland and Wales, but it seems highly likely that it will. The scientists now seem to be pushing for a lockdown till everyone is vaccinated, which means we are pretty much going to be locked away till September or October.

As if the news isn't bad enough. It seems to be a weekly dose of doom and gloom, no matter where you turn.

KSVVZ2015 Feb 9, 2021 10:31 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33026221)
NI's CMO has said that lockdowns will need to remain till 70-80% of the population is vaccinated: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56000840

Quoting him now: "We need to be realistic that the current restrictions that we have in place will be in place for a significant part of this year to a greater or lesser extent and into next year as well". I don't know if this will be adopted in England, Scotland and Wales, but it seems highly likely that it will. The scientists now seem to be pushing for a lockdown till everyone is vaccinated, which means we are pretty much going to be locked away till September or October.

As if the news isn't bad enough. It seems to be a weekly dose of doom and gloom, no matter where you turn.

In the very first sentence it says restrictions wouldn't be FULLY lifted until 70-80% vaccinations are achieved. That's something I think everyone knows and has accepted a long time ago. That is VERY different from being "locked away."

southlondonphil Feb 9, 2021 10:31 am

FOR CLARITY:

Post 1) A comment about Greek isolation rules and how they might be relaxed from April 1st -


Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 33025505)
Nothing stopping you entering GR right now if you want, just have to stay home for 7 days, they are trying to relax this April 1 onwards.
Just have to be careful about return to UK and hope GR is not on the red list to risk 10(!?) years in jail if you are caught writing false information!

Is 10 years even possible? Or is that empty government threats pending its application into actual law.

Post 2) A reply asking for detail regarding the possible 1st April relaxation of rules (in context, Greek rules) -


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33025670)
When you say trying to relax from April 1 - what will their decision be based on?

Post 3) KSVVZ2015's response, completely unrelated to the rules (and their potential 1st April relaxation) in Greece -


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33025759)
Hancock provided that window during Q&A. If vaccines appear to remain effective at bringing hospitalizations and deaths of the variants down, then they will look to ease. If not, then they will keep things tightened until the revised vaccines/boosters are ready. The scientific evidence largely points to the former (not perfectly effective but generally effective at preventing severe disease in all variants).

Post 4) Explaining how the above poster misunderstood the earlier question -


Originally Posted by lhrsfo
The question pertained to Greece, not the UK. All indications are that HMG is intending to relax domestic restrictions, but not foreign travel. Enjoy your cold, wet, windy and extremely expensive holiday on these isles this year.

Post 5) ....and misunderstood the explanation -


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33026034)
Why would Hancock be opining on what Greece will do with their international travel restrictions?

He wasn't. You have failed to follow the thread closely enough.

KSVVZ2015 Feb 9, 2021 10:32 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33026195)
Let’s face it, right now international travel is painted as the source of all evil. In a few months things will change, like we pivoted from “everybody home” to “everybody in the office” this summer.

Exactly. I forecast that the international travel ban for non-essential travel will be lifted between April 15 and May 31. Testing requirements and hotel quarantine for red list countries? I don't phantom a guess there. But i think by late spring, the situation and view will be very different.

Internaut Feb 9, 2021 10:33 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33026195)
Let’s face it, right now international travel is painted as the source of all evil. In a few months things will change, like we pivoted from “everybody home” to “everybody in the office” this summer.

So glad I have an employer who right from the very top of the business (and we are a very sizeable business) said "You've got to be joking," to the idiocy last summer. I last visited the office in July, and that was to clear my desk as part of the office downsizing/future hotdesking. I needed permission to do that and it was all arranged to no one with desks close together could be there at the same time. Parting words to people I hadn't seen since March? Merry Christmas. Been living la vida lockdown ever since.

KSVVZ2015 Feb 9, 2021 10:53 am


Originally Posted by southlondonphil (Post 33026236)
FOR CLARITY:

Post 1) A comment about Greek isolation rules and how they might be relaxed from April 1st -



Post 2) A reply asking for detail regarding the possible 1st April relaxation of rules (in context, Greek rules) -



Post 3) KSVVZ2015's response, completely unrelated to the rules (and their potential 1st April relaxation) in Greece -



Post 4) Explaining how the above poster misunderstood the earlier question -



Post 5) ....and misunderstood the explanation -



He wasn't. You have failed to follow the thread closely enough.

Lol. Yep, totally misunderstood that one.

adrianlondon Feb 9, 2021 11:16 am


Originally Posted by lhrsfo (Post 33025689)
It seems absurd but, if Parliament passes such a law, then it's possible. But you can and usually do get less for killing someone, so I should imagine that the Courts will do their best not to issue such harsh sentences. Plus, where are they going to find the prison space?

Travelodge?

13901 Feb 9, 2021 11:24 am

The idea of sitting by yourself for 10 days, knowing that with each day passing you are giving £175 to Travelodge would be too much to bear. If I ever have to go in quarantine there I’ll surrender shoelaces and belt at the entrance.

paulaf Feb 9, 2021 11:27 am


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33026240)
Exactly. I forecast that the international travel ban for non-essential travel will be lifted between April 15 and May 31. Testing requirements and hotel quarantine for red list countries? I don't phantom a guess there. But i think by late spring, the situation and view will be very different.

Hope its not as late as May 31 please !

Internaut Feb 9, 2021 11:36 am


Originally Posted by adrianlondon (Post 33026357)
Travelodge?

Britannia Hotels!

PxC Feb 9, 2021 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33026232)
In the very first sentence it says restrictions wouldn't be FULLY lifted until 70-80% vaccinations are achieved. That's something I think everyone knows and has accepted a long time ago. That is VERY different from being "locked away."

Knows and accepted a long time ago? It wasn’t so long ago Boris talked about normality by Spring and the initial indications were we would be free when the vulnerable were protected.

It will be interesting to see how much compliance there is when the sun is out and death rates are close to zero

paulaf Feb 9, 2021 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33026577)
Knows and accepted a long time ago? It wasn’t so long ago Boris talked about normality by Spring and the initial indications were we would be free when the vulnerable were protected.

It will be interesting to see how much compliance there is when the sun is out and death rates are close to zero

Yes I naively bought into the 15th February target too as I thought it was reasonable to protect that group, then another 3 weeks were added on, now are they going to say it's lockdown until all 9 groups are done ? I will certainly be going out more soon and I bet plenty of households will start mixing too once some older family members have been vaccinated.

13901 Feb 9, 2021 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33026577)
Knows and accepted a long time ago? It wasn’t so long ago Boris talked about normality by Spring and the initial indications were we would be free when the vulnerable were protected.

It will be interesting to see how much compliance there is when the sun is out and death rates are close to zero

Boris, to paraphrase from his former boss at the Telegraph, isn’t to be trusted to say if it’s Tuesday or Wednesday. He originally said he wanted to have a normal Xmas and berated Keir Starmer at PMQ for “wanting to cancel Christmas” before he U-turned. I’d very much go with what actually intelligent people like Doctor Van-Tam say and, right now, the truth is that there can’t be any forecast. We all have hopes and wishes and maybe plans... but the fact is that no one knows. There are too many unknowns, from actual science to media-fuelled hysteria such as the current mutation crusade.

I, too, am struggling with this all. I crave being out and planning trips and when it gets unbearable I go out and tire myself cycling. Did a good run today and it really feels good!! Sure, going to Bushy Park is not exactly the Karakorams but hey.

ahmetdouas Feb 9, 2021 3:45 pm

I think you are all forgetting what happened last spring.

March-June EVERY BORDER SHUT NO ENTRY. Then saner heads prevailed and if you knew how to go about, could actually enjoy quite a normal summer with the travel corridors, July in Athens/Mykonos felt quite normal to me and I also did Switzerland twice.

Greece said themselves they are planning on opening April; don't forget warmer weather helps with the spread, more people vaccinated, and in the end of the day Greece and other Mediteranean countries need the money!

Don't forget it is illegal to go on holiday because the UK is on FULL LOCKDOWN. This will change March 8 onwards.

Cases are currently collapsing, we are at September levels when everything was open, and from then we have quite a bit more immunity from vaccinations and people naturally having it!

I am sure there will be some border measures, but don't forget the Red list is 33 countries that are mainly not main UK tourist destinations except perhaps Portugal.


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