no it’s cases. More cases = more ppl in hospital = more deaths

deaths are 830 because there were a lot
of cases 3 weeks ago not now

ok. well let's hope in 3 weeks time numbers in hospital fall from the current 26k to the September peak of 2.5k, so a sustained net decrease of about 1k per day.

So there are "more cases = more ppl in hospitals = more deaths" - by your very own words.

You are saying that the only reason we have more cases is due to mass testing. That is correct, there were probably hundreds of thousands cases undetected. Are you saying there are thousands of deaths that happened in September that just went undetected?

Your logic is less testing results in less cases - fine. But people don't enter hospital and die completely undetected. Not tens of thousands.

An earlier post bears repeating: logic and reasoned arguments really won't help you in these discussions.

You do make a good point.

Again, what I am saying is the case levels are low right now. Deaths and hospitalisations will take time to decrease.

So let's give hospitals and care workers a bit of a breather and keep still for a little longer.

If cases are low when you open kind of unlikely that the hospitalisations will suddenly shoot up.
The way these conversations are going is as if we haven't vaccinated anyone yet and we are approaching winter.

Spring is coming soon and so is more and more vaccines. Open up the UK! Liberate!

I want things opened up ASAP and desperately want to travel in April/May and summer. But the government has effectively all but ruled out any foreign travel before September/October. What makes you think travel will be opened up anytime in the next 3 - 4 months? It's a genuine question, because it is clear that Covid-0 is now the goal before travel opened up. Unless you know something no one here knows, travel is pretty much dead this year, and definitely this summer.

I agree, I'm incredibly frustrated as we had holidays last year. They seem to have backtracked a little today saying they do want people to have holidays. What worries me is they always talk about summer holidays and I think they refer to the school holidays - I don't want to go away then, not having kids I want to go away in May and June too (given up on Easter booking). Also saying we might need the 2 jabs for the vaccine passport, that rules out most under 70's for months too.

No one has said "no travel before October". They've said "it's too early to make plans" and indeed it is too early.

On February 22nd (or thereabouts, Boris ain't famous for punctuality) they'll present a plan. Then we'll know more.

Actually, Matt Hancock has said "we'll have a great British summer" and he has booked. Bojo said the same thing. Then yesterday, Grant Shapps said the opposite.

It's not too early to book as long as it's fully refundable or transferable to lock in a good price or a nice villa like I've done to avoid a mad scramble.
I don't want a holiday in the UK either sorry, long weekend I've booked is fine.

Exactly. There is a bit of muffling around the edges of this (par for the course when you have a wide number of ministers making near constant appearances - formal and informal). My view is that the government absolutely wants to ease up on travel restrictions (domestically, as well as internationally with precautions) at some point in April/May. But they (i) want to under promise given the risk of the unknown and (ii) want more time to see the data in the UK (sure the Israeli data is promising but they want to see it here). I think they understand the much of the public (As well as a broader number of Tory MPs) will tolerate restrictions for some time as we push the numbers down and get more vaccines out but that if we get into spring/summer and people are prevented from international leisure travel, there is going to be far less support. Absent a real doomsday scenario, I cannot imagine the case where domestic holidays are I think the media is a bit sensationalistic on this point and really making too much out of the "its too early. We will map it out on Feb 22."

What worries me is they will say it will have to be after over 50's jabbed due by the end of April hopefully then add another 3 weeks on for immunity so that wipes out May.