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ahmetdouas Mar 23, 2021 3:36 am


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33120231)
Hancock referred to the "red list" and the "amber list" today in another ode to the likely traffic light system coming.

he also said no plans for whole europe to be red.

HB7 Mar 23, 2021 3:46 am


Originally Posted by 8420PR (Post 33120166)
I cannot see the endgame though, unless we really will make and keep the border so watertight that nothing gets in.

That's exactly right. What is the endgame? Austerity next? That will last for years? Because that's exactly what we are heading for.

The idea of a 'being cautious' doesn't come for free. I don't think some people actually get that. This is not a perfect world. In a perfect world, you can go as cautiously as possible, either eradicate Covid-19 or vaccinate 100% of the adult population before opening up again. But that is impossible now, unless we want a depressed economy for the next decade.

HB7 Mar 23, 2021 3:47 am


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33120231)
Hancock referred to the "red list" and the "amber list" today in another ode to the likely traffic light system coming.

Was this on an interview today - is it possible to see it?

KSVVZ2015 Mar 23, 2021 3:53 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33120247)
Was this on an interview today - is it possible to see it?

Yes this morning. I only read summaries/quotes however.

DaveS Mar 23, 2021 3:56 am


Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 33120251)
Yes this morning. I only read summaries/quotes however.

From the BBC. It looks like it was on the BBC R4 Today program..

The government’s global travel taskforce is considering a tiered or traffic light system for international travel when the ban on leaving the country is lifted.

The discussion is focusing on what restrictions would apply to travellers returning from destinations in the lowest level.

“How green is green?” in the words of one adviser.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock told the Today programme earlier that the government had to take into account rising cases in Europe.

“It’s reasonable to take a precautionary and careful approach, which is what we are doing at the borders.”

He said there were no current plans to put all of Europe on the so-called “red list”, from which travel into the UK is banned. British nationals and people who are normally resident in the UK returning from these countries have to enter hotel quarantine upon arrival.

The intention is to publish the framework on 12 April, with decisions about which countries are in which tier to be taken later.

The prime minister’s roadmap for lifting the lockdown says international travel could resume from 17 May, but officials cannot guarantee this will happen.

Testing for children who travel is being considered because there are no plans for under-18s to be vaccinated.

Read our explainer here on when summer holidays may be allowed.

HB7 Mar 23, 2021 3:57 am

So now if I'm correct, all holidays are banned till July. So what is the significance of the May 17th date? Isn't this date pointless now?

13901 Mar 23, 2021 3:58 am


Originally Posted by 8420PR (Post 33120201)
Austria did exactly that in a Tyrol town due to the SA variant, where between Feb 12th and March 3rd if you wanted to leave the region a negative PCR test had to be shown. Source: https://www.thelocal.at/20210222/tyr...ons-extension/

At the moment they are vaccinating all adults in the impacted area ASAP, using the Pfizer vaccine with lots of scientists and clever people looking at the results.

That'll be an interesting development to follow, thanks.

Meanwhile, just to be on the safe side, I'm off to create a fortress on Kew Bridge. No pasaran!

paulaf Mar 23, 2021 3:59 am

Meanwhile headlines saying holidays banned until July are misleading the public with companies saying they are no longer taking new bookings so they are understandably a bit annoyed.


KSVVZ2015 Mar 23, 2021 4:00 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33120256)
So now if I'm not correct, all holidays are banned till July. So what is the significance of the May 17th date? Isn't this date pointless now?

This is the media butchering the legislative change that is to be passed this week which is simply putting in place a new COVID emergency law as the current one expires based on the current framework. The plan of an April 12 announcement and a potential loosening of restrictions on May 17 has not changed.

paulaf Mar 23, 2021 4:00 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33120256)
So now if I'm correct, all holidays are banned till July. So what is the significance of the May 17th date? Isn't this date pointless now?

No that's just when the new legislation runs too, the Taskforce report on 12th April will override that.

13901 Mar 23, 2021 4:01 am


Originally Posted by paulaf (Post 33120258)
Meanwhile headlines saying holidays banned until July are misleading the public with companies saying they are no longer taking new bookings so they are understandably a bit annoyed.


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33120256)
So now if I'm correct, all holidays are banned till July. So what is the significance of the May 17th date? Isn't this date pointless now?

I know we don't do patience, but let's wait until the 12th of April when (hopefully) there'll be some more clarity shall we?

KSVVZ2015 Mar 23, 2021 4:02 am


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33120252)
From the BBC. It looks like it was on the BBC R4 Today program..

I guess what I'm confused about is are they going to confirm the May 17 (or push it back) on April 12 when the presumably announce the red/amber/green system (even if who is in what country comes later)? Or are they planning on announcing a system only and not confirming (i) the start date (i.e., when the current non-essential travel ban is lifted) and (ii) the countries in each list until sometime between April 12 and May 17?

HB7 Mar 23, 2021 4:05 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33120265)
I know we don't do patience, but let's wait until the 12th of April when (hopefully) there'll be some more clarity shall we?

You are right about patience - but this is devastating. What's next??

KARFA Mar 23, 2021 4:07 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33120256)
So now if I'm correct, all holidays are banned till July.

Those headlines are a classic example of adding 2+2 and making 22. It is extrapolated from the fact the new law starting next week has an expiry date of end of June, and assumes nothing happens with travel, which is a separate conversation anyway.

KSVVZ2015 Mar 23, 2021 4:08 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33120271)
You are right about patience - but this is devastating. What's next??

I really don't think there is any news here to be "devastated" about? The expiration date of the emergency law is actually meaningless. There have been numerous changes (including with respect to travel) to the prior emergency laws during their tenure.


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