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KARFA Jul 24, 2021 11:49 am


Originally Posted by hmsdreadnought (Post 33434085)
Stupid question, please forgive. Can a tourist from the U.S. enter the UK with or without proof of vaccination and/or quarantine requirements?

You can enter the UK, but you will need a negative pre arrival test and to fill out the passenger locator form. Also you will have to self isolate on arrival for 10 days or for as long as you are here if leaving before the end of 10 days. You will need to buy a post arrival day 2 and 8 test package as well if you are staying that long.

Your vaccine status won't change anything I am afraid.

DaveS Jul 24, 2021 11:57 am


Originally Posted by hmsdreadnought (Post 33434085)
Stupid question, please forgive. Can a tourist from the U.S. enter the UK with or without proof of vaccination and/or quarantine requirements?

You would also have the option of escaping quarantine after 5 days if you pay for an additional test (Test to Release).

corporate-wage-slave Jul 24, 2021 11:58 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33434074)
Brilliant news, if it holds then we could of shown a lot of other countries a path out of this. Would our high infection numbers have helped with immunity though? Spain have caught us up with vaccines and see cases rocketing despite restrictions.

Is it possible that the euros caused a huge spike and have herd immunitised some of the dregs of society? Or to be nicer, those less likely to be vaccinated but more likely to spread?

I've seen no evidence that Wembley was directly involved in more than a few cases. The way most people get Covid is doing things like visiting a brother or friend to watch the game at home with a few tinnies. Or indeed two people trying to avoid football getting together for a Netflix evening. So the England supporters on the streets, if they were not there, may have done something, well, more risky by being at home. The risk factors are things like sharing a car to get to London or being inside a pub after the game. It seems counter-intuitive, I know, but you get COVID from your friends and family and colleagues, generally not from randoms in the street or shop.

The "benefit" of immunity via infection rather than vaccine is a controversial one, and there is probably a good scientific case for most of the competing arguments out there. In terms of core immunology, vaccines are normally better for giving a better spectrum of immunity compared to infection, hence we always tell people who have had COVID to get their jabs (after 4 weeks from the first symptoms or PCR). There are exceptions but usually people who had bad COVID are very keen to get their vaccines, it's not something people would want to repeat. As it happens the surveillance studies in this area shows that adults in the UK are showing about 95% of the population with antibodies, either from vaccines or infection, though slightly lower in Scotland.

DaveS Jul 24, 2021 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33434074)
Brilliant news, if it holds then we could of shown a lot of other countries a path out of this. Would our high infection numbers have helped with immunity though? Spain have caught us up with vaccines and see cases rocketing despite restrictions.

Is it possible that the euros caused a huge spike and have herd immunitised some of the dregs of society? Or to be nicer, those less likely to be vaccinated but more likely to spread?

The same assumption regarding super spreader events was made when people headed to the beaches last year and the protests around the county. These turned out to be some of the safer things you could do. I suspect the football itself was too, at least as far as COVID goes.

PxC Jul 24, 2021 12:41 pm

When I mention the euros, I don't actually mean the stadium part, but rather the rest of the country.. meeting friends, lot of contact, pubs etc. The beaches/protests wouldn't really encourage those things.

paulaf Jul 24, 2021 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33434129)
I've seen no evidence that Wembley was directly involved in more than a few cases. The way most people get Covid is doing things like visiting a brother or friend to watch the game at home with a few tinnies. Or indeed two people trying to avoid football getting together for a Netflix evening. So the England supporters on the streets, if they were not there, may have done something, well, more risky by being at home. The risk factors are things like sharing a car to get to London or being inside a pub after the game. It seems counter-intuitive, I know, but you get COVID from your friends and family and colleagues, generally not from randoms in the street or shop.

The "benefit" of immunity via infection rather than vaccine is a controversial one, and there is probably a good scientific case for most of the competing arguments out there. In terms of core immunology, vaccines are normally better for giving a better spectrum of immunity compared to infection, hence we always tell people who have had COVID to get their jabs (after 4 weeks from the first symptoms or PCR). There are exceptions but usually people who had bad COVID are very keen to get their vaccines, it's not something people would want to repeat. As it happens the surveillance studies in this area shows that adults in the UK are showing about 95% of the population with antibodies, either from vaccines or infection, though slightly lower in Scotland.

Surely we must be close to herd immunity witb 95% having antibodies?

corporate-wage-slave Jul 24, 2021 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by paulaf (Post 33434386)
Surely we must be close to herd immunity witb 95% having antibodies?

Unfortunately antibodies don't always equal immunity, which is a much wider spectrum of processes, some aspects of which are still not well understood. And some aspects of immunity are difficult or impossible to measure. I also think herd immunity as a concept works better with cattle in a field rather than humans on a planet. We also know COVID can re-infect people several times over (as is the case with other viral infections). All very annoying but still, if we are starting the road out of Delta, without it having anything like the impact of Alpha - a very big "if" statement indeed - then I'm sure the 95% figure will be an important aspect to this.

alex67500 Jul 24, 2021 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33434403)
Unfortunately antibodies don't always equal immunity, which is a much wider spectrum of processes, some aspects of which are still not well understood. And some aspects of immunity are difficult or impossible to measure. I also think herd immunity as a concept works better with cattle in a field rather than humans on a planet. We also know COVID can re-infect people several times over (as is the case with other viral infections). All very annoying but still, if we are starting the road out of Delta, without it having anything like the impact of Alpha - a very big "if" statement indeed - then I'm sure the 95% figure will be an important aspect to this.

In laymen terms though, at some point with vaccinated people and infections being quite high, the virus is going to run out of people to infect, which is where we want to be! Flock immunity or something equivalent.

corporate-wage-slave Jul 24, 2021 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33434736)
In laymen terms though, at some point with vaccinated people and infections being quite high, the virus is going to run out of people to infect, which is where we want to be! Flock immunity or something equivalent.

Because vaccines are not perfect and because people do get COVID twice, then I would rephrase that somewhat. It's more like the virus may well find itself struggling against all the barriers to stay viable. Not sufficient for wipe-out, and with always the risk of further variants, but there could come a point when the virus is going to run out of easy options.

Swanhunter Jul 25, 2021 2:18 am

I did see some stats that the rate of infections in unvaccinated people is decreasing significantly faster than the overall number. That implies we are at herd immunity or something pretty close.

Two friends have had breakthrough infections (so when they are double vaxxed). They had mild symptoms but were still pretty wiped out. But as their GP said, you’d both be on a ventilator if you hadn’t had the jabs.

lhrsfo Jul 25, 2021 2:19 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33434766)
Because vaccines are not perfect and because people do get COVID twice, then I would rephrase that somewhat. It's more like the virus may well find itself struggling against all the barriers to stay viable. Not sufficient for wipe-out, and with always the risk of further variants, but there could come a point when the virus is going to run out of easy options.

This, surely, is what we are all waiting for and is our only way out.

ahmetdouas Jul 25, 2021 3:11 am


Originally Posted by Swanhunter (Post 33435537)
I did see some stats that the rate of infections in unvaccinated people is decreasing significantly faster than the overall number. That implies we are at herd immunity or something pretty close.

Two friends have had breakthrough infections (so when they are double vaxxed). They had mild symptoms but were still pretty wiped out. But as their GP said, you’d both be on a ventilator if you hadn’t had the jabs.

Hence there being no need for restrictions whatsoever. Even if it breaks through the jab, the result is very mild if fully vaccinated.
I think actually having natural immunity + vaccine immunity is the best defence right now, ideally the other way around if you are vulnerable (I had COVID first then I had the vaccine). Nothing is 100%, but I am quite confident that my chance of getting covid again after being 'double' immune is quite low at this stage.

Funnily enough i am in mini locked down JMK right now and they are watching the UK with amusement about letting the virus rip even though cases are high, they are not buying my debate about the UK government is happy with the amount of vaccinated ppl so wanted to open everything up regardless of case numbers.

PxC Jul 25, 2021 6:07 am


Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Further content in his replies

KARFA Jul 25, 2021 6:57 am

I think this may put it in to context


DaveS Jul 25, 2021 9:24 am

Computer problems are continuing, so no deaths data yet today. I will update later should it become available. Daily data:

Cases 29,173 (48,161 last Sunday)
Deaths 28 (25)
People vaccinated up to and including 24 July 2021:
First dose: 46,563,452
Second dose: 37,160,659

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 15.4% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 59.0%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 64.3 today. The improvement in the cases data continues for another day thankfully.


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