I hear of more and more breakthrough infections in the fully vaccinated. This was of course anticipated. But is there any data on what percentage of the current cases are breakthrough in those fully vaccinated vs. un-/partially-vaccinated?

Varies a lot from place to place but if we focus on cases it's probably about 30% both doses., 70% less than both doses, given than nearly 70% of UK adults have completed vaccinations -some quite recently and so they don't get the full T cell protection that the March vaccinated would have. Hospitals generally are reporting most people are not vaccinated at all, in the 50% to 60% area, compared to around 12% of the general adult population. But it varies a lot due to differences in spread conditions in different parts of the UK. Data is a bit screwed up because the unvaccinated are coming to hospital at a late stage of clinical deterioration,, which one can understand but it really doesn't help matters.

You are also demonstrating the same laissez-faire approach as them then. It destroys any argument you have against people who break the rules. People are tired of this and it is showing at all levels. It's fatigue. The tide is turning en masse, and I see Rick Stein is even leading a pingdemic rebellion of sorts. It's time to move on. Roll on a beautfiul English Monday morning, it cannot come soon enough.

And countries such as Gibraltar which are fully vaccinated are now seeing cases rise and have started to cancel events. If they can’t keep restrictions away now, can they ever? Same with the US/Israel and any other country who has hit the ceiling for their vax.

In my mind there's no doubt that the link between cases and hospitalisations/deaths has been broken by vaccinations. As I read on LinkedIn, last time there had been 50k cases in the UK there were 850 deaths a day, now we're in the 20s and 30s. Lower than suicides, and I understand a fraction of the deaths from cancer. It's high time we stopped obsessing on those numbers and so on.

BUT.

This doesn't mean - yet - that we ought to be careless. Was it really needed to have 85,000 at Silverstone? Was it really a must to have full attendance at Wimbledon? Did we really have to have all those people in Wembley and Leicester square? Was it necessary to water down the mask mandate even further than it already is, i.e. a spineless invitation to please, if you don't mind, wear something but not unless it kind of annoys you in which case you can self-declare to be exempt. I argue not. Especially since, as I understand it, we still have universities not planning to fully return to face-to-face studying and idiotic rules on travel. Those decisions on sports and masks and nightclubs will cause unnecessary deaths. We could've waited until after the summer, pushed further on vaccinations, gotten the youngest vaccinated and then done that.

You are right, except on your first point I would be more nuanced. The link is weakened not broken, it is visible by plotting all data normalised and compared the previous waves: curve slopes are the same.
Now deaths are very low, which is great. Hospitalisations less low and here lies the problem : hospitals are, as of now, reintroducing Covid units, delaying again other surgeries and treatments and the NHS is slowly getting on its knees again. Not to mention the unknown long term effect of all those infections. Death is not the only outcome that matters.

Of course it's not, because it no longer suits your narrative. Strange how deaths were the metric at the start and the UK was getting absolutely slaughtered. The vaccines are working. End of.

And for those of us who like travel, our case numbers are rapidly closing doors... Latest to close is Denmark.

Received an email from Uber tonight. From Monday it will no longer to mandatory to wear a mask in many settings but, unequivocally, not one of their cars.

I’ve all but given up on foreign holiday, this year. Instead I shall protect myself as best as I can and continue to watch a government repeat the same mistake over and over and over again.

whats your point? maybe to you it is not a big matter but the driver who is interacting in a small place with how many people in his or her shift?

frankly, i do not see much of life that is restricted. i think the entire euro 2021 was a complete farce in the face of public health but its done, nothing can be done now. as someone noted up thread i think the only thing that is important is respect and space regardless of settings. masks ensure this in enclosed spaces such as public transport, but BJ completely boshed the message with his initial FREEDOM DAY nonsense.



same. im sticking to domestics until sept when i go to greece then straight on to the US bc its too much of a faff living here to mess with. two vaccinated friends in malta tested positive for their return to the UK. 14 days until they can come back now!

Thats not what it says at all. It says the driver AND you have the right to cancel if you dont feel comfortable with the other not wearing a mask.

It’s a huge matter to me. It means I will give Uber my business more often. Edit: sorry; didn’t read beyond the first three words of your post. Thanks.

”While in some settings you will no longer be required to wear a face covering or mask from 19 July, we’ve decided to continue to ask everyone using the Uber app to wear masks or face coverings when travelling with us, unless exempt.”

Sure, a few Piers Corbyn types might cancel on principle. And exempt is broad, unverifiable and open to abuse, but I see this as a good move on Uber’s part.

i mean honestly i feel for the cabbies and drivers. its not like they are typically the models of health! protect them at all costs lol they provide a great service!!