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13901 Jul 19, 2021 7:54 am

I did a Tube (District) and train (SWR) combo today to go to work. Half of the travellers had no mask. There were four TfL traffic enforcement ticket inspectors (?) onboard, all nicely kitted out with body cams, anti-stab vests and so on. It felt as if they were using the train to go somewhere rather than checking things onboard. Of the four of them, 2 wore no masks. At Richmond station, most staff didn't wear masks too.

VickiSoCal Jul 19, 2021 7:55 am


Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33419378)
I had my second jab of Moderna yesterday morning, and I'd seen some strong reactions from others around me, but holy moley! Shivers, fever, aches everywhere... Paracetamol didn't really work. I guess it's a sign that my immune system has kicked in, but I wasn't expecting to be down for 12 hours like that. Should I report something, or is that expected since the guide already says it'll happen in more than 1 in 10 people?

​​​​​​PS: KARFA batch 3003608 ;)

My younger daughter (19) had a similiar to her second Moderna. Felt really ill, as did her roommate. She did not report. Anecdotally the younger folks I have known have had stronger reactions.

KARFA Jul 19, 2021 7:56 am


Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33419378)
I had my second jab of Moderna yesterday morning, and I'd seen some strong reactions from others around me, but holy moley! Shivers, fever, aches everywhere... Paracetamol didn't really work. I guess it's a sign that my immune system has kicked in, but I wasn't expecting to be down for 12 hours like that. Should I report something, or is that expected since the guide already says it'll happen in more than 1 in 10 people?

​​​​​​PS: KARFA batch 3003608 ;)

I have my second next week, so I guess that's something for me to look forward to!

JustTheOne Jul 19, 2021 8:00 am


Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 33419253)
It's up to individual choice, let the person decide. If they want to, that's fine. If they don't want to, that's also fine.

However, it's not an individual choice with TfL, it's a condition of carriage. You may agree or disagree with that particular condition, but anyone travelling on TfL services enters into a contractual agreement with TfL, and currently one of those contractual obligations is that users should wear a mask. So you're correct that it will no longer lead to fines and it's extremely unlikely that the utterly fed up and exhausted (and I speak from experience!) TfL frontline staff are going to stop you, but it's simply not true to say it's "fine" if someone doesn't chose to wear one in this particular scenario.

Internaut Jul 19, 2021 8:02 am


Originally Posted by sbs2716g (Post 33412618)
51870 cases n 49 death today for UK


Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 33419253)
It's up to individual choice, let the person decide. If they want to, that's fine. If they don't want to, that's also fine.

Ahh, that God given right to do (or in this case breathe) unto others (and not necessarily in a nice way, as long as the law allows it).

Internaut Jul 19, 2021 8:11 am

BTW, I'm rather surprised at what TFL can't do. Bylaws here allow Manchester Metrolink to levy fines for a variety of offences that are not necessarily covered by the criminal code. I assume they could add Impersonating an Egyptian if they pleased. Anyway, it's a £100 fine for not wearing a mask. I'm sure you'll get the odd Piers Corbyn type picking a fight and getting fined but suspect most will claim asthma, COPD or whatever mental health issue du jour. All rather hard to prove and enforce.

Mayor of Greater Manchester to make face coverings mandatory on UK’s largest light rail system - Greater Manchester Combined Authority (greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk)

ahmetdouas Jul 19, 2021 8:11 am


Originally Posted by JustTheOne (Post 33419409)
However, it's not an individual choice with TfL, it's a condition of carriage. You may agree or disagree with that particular condition, but anyone travelling on TfL services enters into a contractual agreement with TfL, and currently one of those contractual obligations is that users should wear a mask. So you're correct that it will no longer lead to fines and it's extremely unlikely that the utterly fed up and exhausted (and I speak from experience!) TfL frontline staff are going to stop you, but it's simply not true to say it's "fine" if someone doesn't chose to wear one in this particular scenario.

I am seeing a lot more exemption stickers from people who don't want the hassle of being challenged, I pretty much see it everyday now on the tube. Also outdoors, but as of today I guess ppl don't need them anymore, just for TFL stuff.

Silver Fox Jul 19, 2021 8:22 am


Originally Posted by JustTheOne (Post 33419409)
However, it's not an individual choice with TfL, it's a condition of carriage. You may agree or disagree with that particular condition, but anyone travelling on TfL services enters into a contractual agreement with TfL, and currently one of those contractual obligations is that users should wear a mask. So you're correct that it will no longer lead to fines and it's extremely unlikely that the utterly fed up and exhausted (and I speak from experience!) TfL frontline staff are going to stop you, but it's simply not true to say it's "fine" if someone doesn't chose to wear one in this particular scenario.

Unless you don't have to: People who are not required to wear a face covering on public transport can order a free badge to let our staff, British Transport Police and our customers know that they are exempt.

And you don't even have to wear the badge if you don't want to.

Silver Fox Jul 19, 2021 8:25 am


Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 33419441)
I am seeing a lot more exemption stickers from people who don't want the hassle of being challenged, I pretty much see it everyday now on the tube. Also outdoors, but as of today I guess ppl don't need them anymore, just for TFL stuff.

Yes, I noticed a slight decrease in mask wearing but not much. I fully expect that to ramp up and for people to stop bothering over a two week period or so. I wasn't on the tube but can say that Waitrose, Poundstretchers and Lidl weren't checking or asking and I think those stores cover a wide demographic. Surprisingly to me the largest % maskless were in Waitrose, including probably about 90% of the staff. And me.

NWIFlyer Jul 19, 2021 9:54 am

Vaccines minister has just announced vaccinations will be offered to some 12-17 year olds.


Originally Posted by BBC
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which advises UK health departments on immunisation, has recommended that Covid vaccines be offered to certain groups of under-18s, vaccines minister Nadim Zahawi tells MPs.

Speaking in the Commons, Zahawi says the JCVI advises:

Children aged 12 to 17 at increased risk of serious Covid – such as those with severe neurodisabilities, Down’s syndrome, or immunosuppression – should be offered the Pfizer vaccine

That vaccine should also be offered to 12 to 17-year-olds who live with an immunosuppressed person

And “it is considered reasonable” to offer a vaccination to those children who are within three months of their 18th birthday “to ensure good uptake of vaccine in newly-turned 18-year-olds”

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is the only vaccine that has been authorised for 12 to 17-year-olds in the UK.

Additionally the JCVI has been asked if this should be extended to all under-18s, which remains under review.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57864699

enviroian Jul 19, 2021 9:59 am

Well the CDC just upped the UK to level 4. This isn't good. Aren't all the bans supposed to end today in the UK?

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices...united-kingdom

FlyerTalker324193 Jul 19, 2021 10:41 am

New rules announced less than 18 hours after the previous ones went into force. Consistently inconsistent.

NWIFlyer Jul 19, 2021 11:04 am


Originally Posted by 8mh (Post 33419881)
New rules announced less than 18 hours after the previous ones went into force. Consistently inconsistent.

When is irreversible reversible? Today’s press conference:


Originally Posted by BBC live feed
PM: Can't guarantee locking easing won't be reversed

Dan Hewitt from ITV asks, with so much uncertainty over infection rates and hospital admissions, won't the roadmap out of lockdown have to be reversed?

The PM says he "hopes" it is irreversible but he can't guarantee that and "we have to be humble in the face of nature".

There could be a new variant of the virus, he says, that we may need to respond to.

We must continue to be cautious, he adds, and everyone eligible for a vaccine must come forward.


Silver Fox Jul 19, 2021 11:06 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 33419756)
Well the CDC just upped the UK to level 4. This isn't good. Aren't all the bans supposed to end today in the UK?

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices...united-kingdom

Yes they did.

paulaf Jul 19, 2021 11:08 am

When do you all think masks will ceased to be required firstly in the airports - could be now if not crowded, and secondly on planes - I'm thinking next year at the earliest?


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