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13901 Jul 20, 2021 2:36 pm

Should be alright, although if you’re flying with bags you might need to clear immigration. And you’ll need tests prior to entering the UK and the Passenger Locator Form.

On the way back, though, that’s different. The UAE are on the super-duper
red list and you should be booking a 10-day quarantine at a hotel for £1,750 a pop. Don’t know how self transfer work these days.

MSPeconomist Jul 20, 2021 3:13 pm

Are people in quarantine allowed to open the door? It seems like a way to infect a random stranger, delivery person, etc. Moreover, you should never just open the door for a stranger, quarantine or not.

You can answer through the door and tell the person you're in quarantine. Maybe the person responds by showing an official badge or ID and explaining that they need to look around your home or see you in person for a health check.

aviators99 Jul 20, 2021 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33423628)
Should be alright, although if you’re flying with bags you might need to clear immigration. And you’ll need tests prior to entering the UK and the Passenger Locator Form.

On the way back, though, that’s different. The UAE are on the super-duper
red list and you should be booking a 10-day quarantine at a hotel for £1,750 a pop. Don’t know how self transfer work these days.

Won't be coming back to UK from UAE. Going AUH-DXB-IST-NAV-BCN-MAD-MIA.
Also, never check bags :-)

KARFA Jul 20, 2021 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33423628)
On the way back, though, that’s different. The UAE are on the super-duper
red list and you should be booking a 10-day quarantine at a hotel for £1,750 a pop. Don’t know how self transfer work these days.

Red list arrivals can still transit and depart the UK so that wouldn't be necessary.

KARFA Jul 20, 2021 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by aviators99 (Post 33423555)
It was pretty hard to get 4 F seats on the same flight using miles. Another place might not be an option. That's why I booked the separate flight to LHR on what was supposed to be the end of the trip, so we can just transit through LHR to AUH. From what I've read, that should be fine? It's unclear if I will have to go through immigration, though, since it will be two separately booked flights on two different airlines that are not aligned.

As noted if your bags are not checked through (highly unlikely in your example) then you will need to go through immigration to collect bags and recheck. Immigration can take some time atm, although who knows what the situation will be in September. Also atm you would need a negative pre arrival result and to fill in the passenger locator form, but also this may change by the time you travel.

aviators99 Jul 20, 2021 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33423769)
As noted if your bags are not checked through (highly unlikely in your example) then you will need to go through immigration to collect bags and recheck. Immigration can take some time atm, although who knows what the situation will be in September. Also atm you would need a negative pre arrival result and to fill in the passenger locator form, but also this may change by the time you travel.

So you agree that since I'll have no checked bags I should be fine not having to clear immigration? Negative test and locator should be no problem.

VCURamFan Jul 20, 2021 3:33 pm

Put a no solicitors sign on your door and tell them to get the hell off your porch.

KARFA Jul 20, 2021 3:38 pm


Originally Posted by aviators99 (Post 33423773)
So you agree that since I'll have no checked bags I should be fine not having to clear immigration? Negative test and locator should be no problem.

There is no difference in the requirements whether you do a landside or airside transit - so negative test and PLF either way. The main advantage is you don't need to go through immigration where the delays are so you should have a much easier connection at LHR.

aviators99 Jul 20, 2021 4:40 pm

Just to add to my confusion, this article from today: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57909022 says, "People who have been fully vaccinated are no longer required to carry out home quarantine when arriving from an amber list country."
My understanding is that this isn't quite true. You have to have been "fully vaccinated *in the UK*" and that being fully vaccinated in another country doesn't count.

IAN-UK Jul 20, 2021 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by JayJayS (Post 33423466)
I have been isolating for a few days and have the Covid people call me on the first day and walk me through a long phone call .

Then I have had a knock on my house 2 times but haven’t answered the door . Has anyone else had the officials come to their house to check to see if they are self isolating for 10 days .

Should I open the door and speak to them or just leave it .


On my amber isolation i had a visit from a clip-board carrying lass masked-up and in a high-viz jacket on the first day, followed by daily calls. The calls began to irritate as they served no purpose i could fathom: the caller simply reading out the same script each time - after asking for my date of birth, and if I understood English.....

I can't see why you wouldn't answer the door. Not doing so invites complications.

DaveS Jul 20, 2021 11:44 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 33423720)
Are people in quarantine allowed to open the door? It seems like a way to infect a random stranger, delivery person, etc. Moreover, you should never just open the door for a stranger, quarantine or not.

You can answer through the door and tell the person you're in quarantine. Maybe the person responds by showing an official badge or ID and explaining that they need to look around your home or see you in person for a health check.

Yes you can answer the door. In theory delivery people have been trained to ring the bell and leave deliveries on the doorstep. You can walk out the door to the boundary of the property too. You can see how quarantine is far less traumatic for the wealthy with large properties compared with someone in a small apartment.

ahmetdouas Jul 21, 2021 2:11 am


Originally Posted by IAN-UK (Post 33423939)
On my amber isolation i had a visit from a clip-board carrying lass masked-up and in a high-viz jacket on the first day, followed by daily calls. The calls began to irritate as they served no purpose i could fathom: the caller simply reading out the same script each time - after asking for my date of birth, and if I understood English.....

I can't see why you wouldn't answer the door. Not doing so invites complications.

I've dealt with them, the guy showed me the checklist he has to do when visiting. It asks, did you meet the person Y/N, are they self isolating Y/N, do they need any assistance Y/N

If i did not answer the door or was out (I was actually out an hour before he came on day 5 as I went to LHR to do test to release), he would have said that he did not see me and it would be up to the authorities to decide what course of action to take, police visit, 2nd visit, etc etc.

Depends where you are as well, the Police in London are usually quite busy so less likely they will bother to visit versus some random village where the police have nothing better to do.

ahmetdouas Jul 21, 2021 2:15 am


Originally Posted by craigthemif (Post 33423509)
If you are actually behaving and doing your quarantine as required, why would you want to give the authorities any reason to believe that you aren't home? Because you like going to court to contest fines, with random excuses for why you didn't open the door?

No, no, no.

If you do not answer the door they have zero evidence you are not there. For them to fine you, they would have to have actionable evidence you were breaking the rules, not answering the door doesn't mean anything, so zero things they can do except a repeat visit or a phone call, or if they are really bored wait by your door to come back.

And by the way, for them to fine you they have to do it in person, they can't just randomly send you a letter saying 'we believe you were out of the house, so here is your 1000 GBP fine, please pay it'.

They do sometimes call you when they are at the door (The Police) if you do not answer and if you answer the phone and say you are home and lie while they can tell you are outside walking the dogs, then that's ample evidence to fine you. Never lie to the police, you have a right to remain silent.

If you are not home and you don't answer the phone, there is nothing they can do save a neighbour ratting you out and willing to give evidence you are out, or even filming you (I am sure some neighbours would love to do that), but even that is not that likely. More likely nieghbours will call the police you are out and they might visit to check on that.

The authorities rely on you to self incriminate yourself, so if you do not do so then unlikely you will get fined unless you are famous and go to a pub and take a picture there sharing it on social media knowing you should self isolate, but even in this case Nigel Farage did it and did not get fined, but probably didn't try doing it again. (i am assuming the police contacted him and told him to not do it again and gave him a warning.)

ahmetdouas Jul 21, 2021 2:25 am


Originally Posted by aviators99 (Post 33423922)
Just to add to my confusion, this article from today: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57909022 says, "People who have been fully vaccinated are no longer required to carry out home quarantine when arriving from an amber list country."
My understanding is that this isn't quite true. You have to have been "fully vaccinated *in the UK*" and that being fully vaccinated in another country doesn't count.

It says fully vaccinated under UK programme. Well if you share your UK approved vaccine details with the NHS, and they log it on their system, I don't see how the authorities can say you are not vaccinated. On my NHS vaccination letter it does not say where I have been vaccinated, but it says the date and the type of vaccine, which is UK approved. This is a bureaucratic issue of the UK, but it would be interesting to see what Border Force would make of it if you show them an NHS letter saying you were vaccinated but there is no evidence this vaccine was done in the UK.

From what I see on the PLF you have to self declare you are exempt due to being fully vaccinated, so if you show BF (If they ask you) an NHS letter will they say you are not fully vaccinated (even if that vaccine was administered abroad?). I don't know.

KARFA Jul 21, 2021 2:32 am

No, the law quite clearly says “received that course of doses in the United Kingdom”. There is an allowance also for those who have received vaccines under the UK program whilst out of the country so military or crown servants etc.

I am afraid if you received your doses outside the UK you do not qualify for the exemption regardless of whether you have managed to get it added to your nhs record or not.


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