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VSLover May 14, 2021 6:50 am

just got a text that my 2nd dose in london on june 16 is cancelled and gave me a specific place next to st pancras as the nearest "AZ center" -- so this must be part of bringing things up quicker for the young'uns perhaps?

HB7 May 14, 2021 6:53 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33250241)
The BMJ study upthread indicates that it's a fairly complex area, and they suggested delaying the younger cohorts rather than older people, due to their better risk profile. But 3 weeks is just too short, from the way immune conversion and boosters work. It's important to appreciate that the second dose adds longevity and takes immune response from "high enough" to "more than high enough". Personally I'd say 8 weeks for those over 50, 16 weeks for those under 50, and no second dose to anyone under 50 who has had a confirmed positive PCR. That's too clunky for everyday life, so realistically the UK's stance of "over 8 weeks, under 12 weeks but we won't panic if it's 14 weeks" is probably sensible.[The Birmingham study is fairly small in scale].

CWS, really interesting that you say that, because I think in France they are doing what you prescribe above regarding people who have had covid before. My fiance has had Covid, and when she got her first jab (pfizer), she was told doesn't need a second dose because she has had the disease, and therefore is now "fully vaccinated".

I don't know if this is being done all over France, I just have the one data point.

Schwann May 14, 2021 6:56 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33250645)
I'll give it a try today or tomorrow. Have you had any side effects? My arm is a bit painful, but thankfully nothing more as yet.

Just a sore arm which was exacerbated by being a fidgety sleeper, but other than that.. no, nothing. But it's eased off 48 almost completely hours later!



Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33250660)
there did seem to be a weird thing going on with politicians early on who were almost stripping off to the waist for photo opportunities being vaccinated.

Thank goodness our cabinet spared us that...

corporate-wage-slave May 14, 2021 7:06 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33250660)
there did seem to be a weird thing going on with politicians early on who were almost stripping off to the waist for photo opportunities being vaccinated. Have they never been vaccinated before?

a short sleeve t shirt was fine for me, easily roll up the sleeve to above the top of the arm and gave plenty of space to be jabbed.

Johnny Mercer was in government when he had his done, but he may be one of the few MPs who legitimately thought there were some votes in doing so.


Belated congrats on your vax, now that you have finally outted yourself.

corporate-wage-slave May 14, 2021 7:10 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33250667)
CWS, really interesting that you say that, because I think in France they are doing what you prescribe above regarding people who have had covid before. My fiance has had Covid, and when she got her first jab (pfizer), she was told doesn't need a second dose because she has had the disease, and therefore is now "fully vaccinated".

I don't know if this is being done all over France, I just have the one data point.

France I believe has been doing this from day one. And correctly so in my view. If she been over 50 I think I would still have suggested the second dose out of an abundance of caution, but what we've seen is people's antibody levels on Covid-19 + vaccine dose1 going sky high and staying there. But it can lead to a real thumping with side effects.

KARFA May 14, 2021 7:18 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33250689)
Belated congrats on your vax, now that you have finally outted yourself.

I was going to post something earlier this week, but wasn't sure anyone would be that interested.

I booked through the central NHS site a few weeks ago (ironically I got the text for my GP inviting me to book whilst waiting to go after the jab). Went to the mass vaccination site at Elland Road on Wednesday. There were a few people queuing when I got there at 1000 (my appointment was for 1015) . Took about 5-10 minutes to get to the first point where you book in, few questions asked, and a low tech slip of paper with my nhs number was handed across. joined the next queue to see a nurse who reconfirmed my identity and checked a few health details. I was told I was getting the Moderna one. In to the last queue for the jab, all over very quickly and without fuss. I did get the side effects booklet too and my small vaccination card. It seems everyone was being asked to wait for 15 minutes before leaving.

No real side effects other than a sore arm yesterday. My second appointment is already booked for late July. Also to note it is now showing in both the covid vaccine status section and consultations & events section in the NHS app.

EDIT: just to add, the jab itself did feel like nothing more than a scratch, almost to the point of not being noticeable. so hopefully that is of some comfort to those who don't like injections.

corporate-wage-slave May 14, 2021 7:25 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33250711)
wasn't sure anyone would be that interested.

Busman's holiday, but I am interested. It's great to see how in the course of this quite chatty thread one by one almost everyone has been done. Just one or two more youngsters left, I think.

dnajockey May 14, 2021 7:51 am


Originally Posted by VSLover (Post 33250661)
just got a text that my 2nd dose in london on june 16 is cancelled and gave me a specific place next to st pancras as the nearest "AZ center" -- so this must be part of bringing things up quicker for the young'uns perhaps?

It will be because they now know your centre will be Pfizer that day and the results of the mixed trial are not in yet. The same happened to me, first dose Guy's, second St Thomas.

13901 May 14, 2021 7:56 am


Originally Posted by DocWatson (Post 33250603)
This is great, thank you. The council website doesn't mention parking - is the car park open at Fountains? And if necessary are there any tips for people from Kingston to pass as more Hounslow? :D

I'll be honest, I don't drive so I don't have a clue. I'll have a wander around today on my bike, but it'll be a quick glance as I risk being photographed by the anti-cycling brigade if I stop or do anything untoward (in their weird view). However, from Kingston to Brentford it's not a long slog on a bike if you're into it. It's also fairly close on the train. Top tip = don't say the H-word! In Brentford they're still ambivalent about it, but especially in Chiswick (and the BFL centre is kind of in Chiswick, more or less...)

alex67500 May 14, 2021 8:25 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33250727)
Busman's holiday, but I am interested. It's great to see how in the course of this quite chatty thread one by one almost everyone has been done. Just one or two more youngsters left, I think.

The trainees at work definitely don't call me young, but I guess it's a matter of perspective ;)

One more age drop and I'm in!

wilsnunn May 14, 2021 8:56 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33250727)
Busman's holiday, but I am interested. It's great to see how in the course of this quite chatty thread one by one almost everyone has been done. Just one or two more youngsters left, I think.

It has been fantastic seeing people come and go in this thread and the collective joy (assumed from the number of likes on each post) when somebody receives their vaccination. It really brings a great sense of community to a part of FlyerTalk that occasionally gets rather heated and was subject to a number of moderations not that long ago.

DaveS May 14, 2021 9:10 am

Daily data:

Cases 2,193 (2,490 last Friday)
Deaths 17 (15)
Patients admitted 104 (121 on the 3rd)
Patients in hospital 1,060 (1,231 on the 5th)
Patients on ventilator 129 (163 on the 6th)
People vaccinated up to and including 13 May 2021:
First dose: 36,115,955
Second dose: 19,319,010

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 9.4% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 13.6%. ONS data released today says 1/1,375 people have been infected in the last week, down from 1/1,135 the previous week. Vaccination data is looking good, with the highest number of first jabs being given since the end of March.

squawk May 14, 2021 9:12 am

Not specifically UK related but I thought people would be interested to see progress from Germany. There is good news for anyone wanting to travel here in that the vaccination programme here has thankfully been kicking into gear recently. Data below is from the 'Vaccination Dashboard'.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...468689479a.png
I've not worked out why the vaccinations peak here in the middle of the week (in the UK, it typically seems to peak on a Friday/Saturday). You can clearly see the size of the jump in vaccinations from the beginning of April, and again about 3 weeks ago.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2ba565c2cc.png
This week was the first week there were two days when vaccinations exceeded 1 million in a day - Tuesday 1.062m and Wednesday 1.353 million, so nearer 1.5 then 1m. Yesterday was low by comparison, a bit over 400k, but it was also a public holiday.

It would be really good to try to get other days closer to the typical level of Wednesdays, including weekends, but I'm not familiar enough with the supply side situation here to know if this is a limitation in terms of the doses available, or the capacity to deliver them.

I do know that initially, GPs were not involved in vaccinations but this changed in early April (dark blue in the graph below which shows the numbers of individual vaccines administered) and you can see the impact of this - this also seems to be at least partly responsible for the fluctuating weekly numbers.

I know company doctors, which are very common here especially in larger firms, have been chomping at the bit to get involved too. I don't know if this has started happening yet (if so, it's not de-aggregated in the doses administered data below) or whether this is about to happen, but I think I saw something about it being imminent.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...cfdc2f2582.png

Overall, Germany has gone from about 15m doses administered in early March April to nearly 40m now, and almost 10m of those have been in the last 2 weeks. Today should push the total number of people vaccinated above 30 million, with approx 9m fully vaccinated.

Progress is, thankfully, being made.

beergut May 14, 2021 9:14 am

Boris is giving an update at 5pm regarding the Indian variant.

Happier news is that I finally get to go back to work on Monday, started a new job as a kitchen monkey in a local pub / restaurant in Feb 2020 so you can all imagine how that's been with months of closures and weeks of reopenings.

The _Banking_Scot May 14, 2021 9:57 am

Hi,

The scottish govt has announced that Glasgow and moray will remain at level 3 for another week at least due to covid levels
will update with more details shortly

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57115876

Main restrictions are on indoor gatherings and indoor hospitality but also no travel into/or out of the area unless in certain restricted circumstances.


Regards

Tbs


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