The NHS is managing (successfully) a programme of unprecedented scale, delivering to millions of people a vaccine that is proven to be very safe and very effective, and should not be indulging refuseniks.Nobody can, or will, be forced to have the vaccine. But even those young people who don't want it might eventually end up getting the vaccine for selfish reasons, such as when they need it for travel or attendance at certain events.

The vaccine seems to be pretty well integrated into the NHS app in England, but I am not sure we even have such an app in Scotland?

I have put a Like on both posts since I think it's a fair questiona and a fair challenge. Intuitively I go with Misco60's response. The thing about pandemics is that they will completely flatten the "me, me, me" mindset, the fastest way out is "us,us, us". The UK's approach (finally) seems to be going well, a combination of draconian lockdown and fast vaccine rollout, but this only works if "us, us, us" predominates. People need to get the vaccine not primarily for selfish reasons but to stop other people dying an avoidable death and to prevent the health service being overwhelmed to everyone's detriment. Long Covid is in there too and there are thousands of teenager sufferers of that. Vaccines greatly reduce death, greatly reduce serious illness, are somewhat but usefully effective in reducing infection, somewhat but usefully effective in stopping transmission. A whole heap of reasons why people should get their jabs pronto, speed is of the essence and people should not go shopping for vaccines.

Now personally I very much believe in individual responsibility so my previous paragraph goes against this core belief. As someone once said, it is what it is. But what matters most is that we make it as easy as possible for people to get their jabs, and we need to be able to comprehensively deal with those who have concerns or preferences. Jabs in arms today is all that matters and if we need to be pragmatic to encourage take up in some places, then let's do that if it doesn't slow down the process overall. As it happens informally some vaccination centres may be reluctantly willing to accommodate this by simply disclosing their next Pfizer date. If they have that date, that is, I personally don't know the next Pfizer jab I will be administering other than it won't be this week and unlikely the next 2 weeks. But if someone was down for day1 and then turns up at day14, well better late than never, better late than dead. The only problem with Pfizer is that it comes in boxes of 1100 doses so we have to carefully match the box with patients so accommodating walk-ins is tricky, at least at the moment. We can't just open the next box.

But I would still try to convince someone to have their jab immediately when offered. At the peak we were losing 1400 people a day to COVID-19, today it is about 145. That is an outrageous loss of life, like a a jumbo jet crash every 6 hours, and wholly avoidable. Vaccines and lockdown is working, both vaccines do their job well, and the sooner we all get our jabs the sooner we will be able to do the things we really want to do.

Where would the second dose of Pfizer in 12 weeks + 3 come from? I'm not even sure delaying 3 weeks to satisfy the refuseniks is a good idea, when they may well take AZ when they hear that Pfizer is likely to be unavailable. As CWS says, 5 out of 1500 isn't terrible, though there were 20 other no shows, so the true figure may be higher. The no shows would include those who had booked directly and secured their jab elsewhere.

Wonder how this will play out, they have a point about shops.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56397029

I wish airline and travel industry bosses would do this.

Is this a different app from the NHS Test & Trace one? I can't see anywhere where it shows vaccination status (Android version).

Yes, certainly in England there are 2 apps, NHS (left) and ‘NHS track n trace’ (right)

The NHS app has the requested access to your Health Records which will include vaccines.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4ad26944f.jpeg

A-ha! That would explain it. Why put everything in one place, that would be too easy ;)

Impossible in fact: Test and Trace / the Covid-19 App has to be anonymous due to the bluetooth monitoring, whereas the NHS App, when fully enabled, has to be totally secure to the right and identified user, due to the requirements under GDPR for Sensitive Personal Data. But for those living in England, here is a step by step guide to setting it up, you local GP's own app may also have your vaccine data.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/u-k-...al-travel.html

waste of time the judiciary have done nothing to slow down govt legislation during lockdowns

"They argued that "transmission is plainly higher in non-essential shops," and said they would pursue legal action if the government did not provide evidence to the contrary."

That is a very fair argument...

Would they even be able to do this in time?

I think it is far from "plain" that transmission is higher in shops than in pubs.

Shoppers are generally wearing masks and maintaining social distancing; pub patrons are doing neither while also talking loudly into each other's faces.

They must think so as they want to open on 12th April.

Ah, and I guess that's also different to myGP which is also an NHS App?