Global Entry Denial and Recourse
Dec 30, 2019, 11:41 am
#451
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I was caught bringing an undeclared item into USA a little more than two years ago. Paid a very large fine and both my GlobalEntry and PreCheck were revoked.
For the first 18 months or so, I would get torn apart every time I entered the USA. "Empty your pockets, etc..." I understood why. Guilty as charged.
The last six months or so, I would go to the kiosk, state nothing to declare, and sailed right through without inspection. So I guess I may have fallen off the black list.
Two weeks ago, I flew with my spouse who has GE and PreCheck, and somehow I got precheck too. Wow, that was nice.
So I applied for PreCheck again, went to my local airport and gave my fingerprints.
Was approved two days later with a new, different KTN.
Don't quite have the guts to reapply for Global Entry, but maybe I should....? What do you think?
For the first 18 months or so, I would get torn apart every time I entered the USA. "Empty your pockets, etc..." I understood why. Guilty as charged.
The last six months or so, I would go to the kiosk, state nothing to declare, and sailed right through without inspection. So I guess I may have fallen off the black list.
Two weeks ago, I flew with my spouse who has GE and PreCheck, and somehow I got precheck too. Wow, that was nice.
So I applied for PreCheck again, went to my local airport and gave my fingerprints.
Was approved two days later with a new, different KTN.
Don't quite have the guts to reapply for Global Entry, but maybe I should....? What do you think?
Second question: do you do lots of intl. travel? Also CBP has an app which can help speed you through the CBP when you return to the USA--this may be sufficient(?)
Dec 30, 2019, 2:01 pm
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Dec 30, 2019, 7:12 pm
#453
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I was caught bringing an undeclared item into USA a little more than two years ago. Paid a very large fine and both my GlobalEntry and PreCheck were revoked.
For the first 18 months or so, I would get torn apart every time I entered the USA. "Empty your pockets, etc..." I understood why. Guilty as charged.
The last six months or so, I would go to the kiosk, state nothing to declare, and sailed right through without inspection. So I guess I may have fallen off the black list.
Two weeks ago, I flew with my spouse who has GE and PreCheck, and somehow I got precheck too. Wow, that was nice.
So I applied for PreCheck again, went to my local airport and gave my fingerprints.
Was approved two days later with a new, different KTN.
Don't quite have the guts to reapply for Global Entry, but maybe I should....? What do you think?
For the first 18 months or so, I would get torn apart every time I entered the USA. "Empty your pockets, etc..." I understood why. Guilty as charged.
The last six months or so, I would go to the kiosk, state nothing to declare, and sailed right through without inspection. So I guess I may have fallen off the black list.
Two weeks ago, I flew with my spouse who has GE and PreCheck, and somehow I got precheck too. Wow, that was nice.
So I applied for PreCheck again, went to my local airport and gave my fingerprints.
Was approved two days later with a new, different KTN.
Don't quite have the guts to reapply for Global Entry, but maybe I should....? What do you think?
Pre-Check is a different issue--while they don't trust you not to smuggle they don't think you're a terrorist.
Jun 25, 2020, 4:35 pm
#454
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Good afternoon,
Well, my boyfriend finally got his FOIA and this is what it said:
This is a final response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). You were denied the program because of a 2014 short form seizure of cigarettes, however, you should consider to file a reconsideration request to the Ombudsman as it appears it was an abandoment by you. We conducted a comprehensive search of files within the CBP databases for records that would be responsive to your request. Unfortunately, we were unable to locate or identify any responsive records, based upon the information you provided in your request.
Questions:
1. Is there a time limit from the date he was denied GE until he can send in another reconsideration? His GE denial was July 2019
2. If he's past the time limit for another reconsideration (this will be his 2nd); does it look at least promising to reapply for his GE again?
3. What's the timeline now with getting a GE with all of the shut-downs and such?
Thanks in advance.
Well, my boyfriend finally got his FOIA and this is what it said:
This is a final response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). You were denied the program because of a 2014 short form seizure of cigarettes, however, you should consider to file a reconsideration request to the Ombudsman as it appears it was an abandoment by you. We conducted a comprehensive search of files within the CBP databases for records that would be responsive to your request. Unfortunately, we were unable to locate or identify any responsive records, based upon the information you provided in your request.
Questions:
1. Is there a time limit from the date he was denied GE until he can send in another reconsideration? His GE denial was July 2019
2. If he's past the time limit for another reconsideration (this will be his 2nd); does it look at least promising to reapply for his GE again?
3. What's the timeline now with getting a GE with all of the shut-downs and such?
Thanks in advance.
Jun 25, 2020, 5:17 pm
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This is what I said 6 months ago. And I will say this once again.
You have a record. Don't bother unless you have spare money.
You have a record. Don't bother unless you have spare money.
Jun 25, 2020, 5:29 pm
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The letter stated to consider filing a reconsideration with the Ombudsman which is why I was asking the above questions
Jun 25, 2020, 5:32 pm
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Jun 25, 2020, 5:56 pm
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Given it has been expired, then OP can simply apply for a new one without reconsideration if that "seizure" does not apply OP. That's where my OP comes in.
Bottom line - OP is free to do anything. But I would not simply have the hope up for anything at all.
Jun 25, 2020, 6:03 pm
#459
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Sorry about not being clear. The problem I see is the GE in question should have been expired. So I am not sure that the Ombudsman will take up the reconsideration. Of course I could be wrong about this.
Given it has been expired, then OP can simply apply for a new one without reconsideration if that "seizure" does not apply OP. That's where my OP comes in.
Bottom line - OP is free to do anything. But I would not simply have the hope up for anything at all.
Given it has been expired, then OP can simply apply for a new one without reconsideration if that "seizure" does not apply OP. That's where my OP comes in.
Bottom line - OP is free to do anything. But I would not simply have the hope up for anything at all.
Jun 25, 2020, 6:52 pm
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Simply follow the instructions contained in the FOIA response. Someone at DHS went out of their way to make a suggestion and you should do exactly what is suggested.
Include a copy of the FOIA response with your submission.
Include a copy of the FOIA response with your submission.
Jun 26, 2020, 8:49 am
#462
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Thank you to all that helped
Last edited by mcarney64; Jul 9, 2020 at 6:15 am
Jun 27, 2020, 8:38 am
#463
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Thankfully, I had him call CBP before doing anything --- so, apparently, even though he has a screen shot of when he submitted his reconsideration of 11/15/19, it didn't go through - so, he wrote as much detail that he could in the small limited # of characters box stating that on the recommendation of FOIA, he is requesting reconsideration - he proceeded to give a summary of what happened and of course attached the FOIA letter ... CBP said that reconsideration requests are averaging 3-5 months. Fingers crossed & I'll update when I know something ...
Thank you to all that helped
Thank you to all that helped
Jun 27, 2020, 1:58 pm
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I did get an approved reconsideration if you search my name above. And that was with a real, though accidental violation. Coupled with 7 subsequent years of issue free travel and pointing out that I travel with my previously cleared spouse all the time, helped get me approved. It took 8 months though.
Jul 9, 2020, 6:15 am
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Thankfully, I had him call CBP before doing anything --- so, apparently, even though he has a screen shot of when he submitted his reconsideration of 11/15/19, it didn't go through - so, he wrote as much detail that he could in the small limited # of characters box stating that on the recommendation of FOIA, he is requesting reconsideration - he proceeded to give a summary of what happened and of course attached the FOIA letter ... CBP said that reconsideration requests are averaging 3-5 months. Fingers crossed & I'll update when I know something ...
Thank you to all that helped
Thank you to all that helped
Reconsideration submitted on 06/26/20
CA approval received on 07/09/20
Now the process of waiting for interview locations to start back up.
Thank you all for your help, guidance and support during this long journey
