Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > Travel Safety/Security > Trusted Travelers
Reload this Page >

The dreaded "X" with Global Entry

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

The dreaded "X" with Global Entry

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 7, 2016, 1:34 pm
  #121  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
I have thought that you could say no initially, and then if selected for having one's bag searched at random, could tell the agents before they started looking, " I have chocolate, tea, whatever, do those really count?" as an amended declaration keeping the traveler within the rules? I could swear that passengers have the right to do that, so that any goods that they want to confiscate for whatever reason they can do, but you are not violating the law.
That is an urban myth and completely false.

Take a look at a paper Customs Declaration (samples online). Right above the signature block, you state that your answers are true and correct and that false statements are subject to punishment under 18 USC Section 1001. Now, go look up that provision. You will see that it is a felony which carries a term of imprisonment of up to 5 years.

So, no you may not make a false statement on your declaration, paper or electronic. Yes, if you make a mistake it is better to correct yourself.

Will you likely go to prison for five years? Not likely, but that isn't the test.

The question is, "are you carrying food?" If the answer is "yes" you check the box marked "yes." It's that simple.
Often1 is offline  
Old Feb 7, 2016, 3:29 pm
  #122  
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: WAS
Programs: AMEX Platinum, Global Entry, Priority Pass, SPG Gold, HHonors Gold
Posts: 1,594
Originally Posted by Often1
That is an urban myth and completely false.

Take a look at a paper Customs Declaration (samples online). Right above the signature block, you state that your answers are true and correct and that false statements are subject to punishment under 18 USC Section 1001. Now, go look up that provision. You will see that it is a felony which carries a term of imprisonment of up to 5 years.

So, no you may not make a false statement on your declaration, paper or electronic. Yes, if you make a mistake it is better to correct yourself.

Will you likely go to prison for five years? Not likely, but that isn't the test.

The question is, "are you carrying food?" If the answer is "yes" you check the box marked "yes." It's that simple.
§ 148.16 Amendment of declaration.

(a) Before examination. A passenger shall be permitted to add an article to his declaration if, before examination of his baggage has begun, the fact that the article has not been declared is brought to the attention of the examining officer by the passenger.

(b) After examination is begun. A passenger shall be permitted to add an article to his declaration after examination of his baggage has begun if, before any undeclared article is found, the passenger advises the examining officer that he has such an article and the officer is satisfied that there was no fraudulent intent. Under no circumstances shall a passenger be permitted to add any undeclared article to his declaration after such article has been discovered by the examining officer.
14940674 is offline  
Old Feb 7, 2016, 4:47 pm
  #123  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
Programs: UA US CO AA DL FL
Posts: 50,262
Originally Posted by 14940674
§ 148.16 Amendment of declaration.

(a) Before examination. A passenger shall be permitted to add an article to his declaration if, before examination of his baggage has begun, the fact that the article has not been declared is brought to the attention of the examining officer by the passenger.

(b) After examination is begun. A passenger shall be permitted to add an article to his declaration after examination of his baggage has begun if, before any undeclared article is found, the passenger advises the examining officer that he has such an article and the officer is satisfied that there was no fraudulent intent. Under no circumstances shall a passenger be permitted to add any undeclared article to his declaration after such article has been discovered by the examining officer.
None of which makes the statement under Sec. 1001 any less false. Simply corrects the falsehood.

Thousands of examples of this. None of which go to the suggestion that you can lie on your Declaration and wait to see if you are examined.

Thus, urban myth. Completely false.
Often1 is offline  
Old Feb 7, 2016, 5:29 pm
  #124  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Florida
Programs: Delta SkyMiles; Hilton HHonors; NEXUS; National Emerald Club Executive
Posts: 366
Just to add to Often1's point: Note that paragraph b) (ie. after examination has begun) says you may only amend your declaration if "the officer is satisfied that there was no fraudulent intent."

In other words, if the officer thinks you're trying to get away with something, he does not have to allow the amendment. And either way, he can certainly yank your GE.
txviking is offline  
Old Feb 7, 2016, 9:05 pm
  #125  
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: WAS
Programs: AMEX Platinum, Global Entry, Priority Pass, SPG Gold, HHonors Gold
Posts: 1,594
Originally Posted by Often1
None of which makes the statement under Sec. 1001 any less false. Simply corrects the falsehood.

Thousands of examples of this. None of which go to the suggestion that you can lie on your Declaration and wait to see if you are examined.

Thus, urban myth. Completely false.
Originally Posted by txviking
Just to add to Often1's point: Note that paragraph b) (ie. after examination has begun) says you may only amend your declaration if "the officer is satisfied that there was no fraudulent intent."

In other words, if the officer thinks you're trying to get away with something, he does not have to allow the amendment. And either way, he can certainly yank your GE.
My mistake; I was acting under the assumption that the declaration was merely mistaken, rather than deliberately dishonest. Certainly no cover under the CFR for lying.
14940674 is offline  
Old Feb 8, 2016, 1:54 pm
  #126  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: where the chile is hot
Programs: AA,RR,NW,Delta ,UA,CO
Posts: 41,714
Originally Posted by 14940674
My mistake; I was acting under the assumption that the declaration was merely mistaken, rather than deliberately dishonest. Certainly no cover under the CFR for lying.
I think much has to be left up to the judgment of the CBP agent.

After a multi-week trip, I have forgotten to declare something and not realized it until I got home (on one occasion, it was a t-shirt; another time it was some small souvenirs I'd packed away and forgotten about).

Only a real stickler agent is going to bust you and accuse you of deliberately lying about a $5 t-shirt you forgot to declare.

OTOH, Mrs. Jeb Bush declared $500 worth of jewelry - except she had bought it for $19K - after a trip to Paris. Luckily for her, she just paid a fine, but I think ordinary citizens in that situation would have had the book thrown at them. Certainly anyone with GE would have been permanently disqualified.
chollie is offline  
Old Feb 8, 2016, 1:59 pm
  #127  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Florida
Programs: Delta SkyMiles; Hilton HHonors; NEXUS; National Emerald Club Executive
Posts: 366
Originally Posted by 14940674
My mistake; I was acting under the assumption that the declaration was merely mistaken, rather than deliberately dishonest. Certainly no cover under the CFR for lying.
That's the thing though. The person deciding whether they believe you or not is the same person who can yank your GE.

And they can certainly decide they don't believe you even if you DID make an honest mistake.
txviking is offline  
Old Feb 8, 2016, 9:08 pm
  #128  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Plat, UA Gold
Posts: 609
Originally Posted by SEA1K4EVR
If you're getting an X every time you might not be approved for GE.. but I'd definitely inquire about the X first. Anything in your past customs related? Get caught with a banana in your bag that you forgot about?

GE is worth it...
I have a hypen in my middle name. I was told by multiple CBP officers that this always gets the X because the machine cant read it.

they just look at it and tell me to go, never takes more than 30 seconds.
bbmatt is offline  
Old Feb 9, 2016, 6:25 am
  #129  
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Mostly living in the basement
Programs: Newly minted free agent; MR LT(!)TE, HH SE, BA SECM, DL MM, UA PS, 2V Fanboi, CBP GE
Posts: 5,110
Originally Posted by CKBA
The problem is that the GE specifically asks about 'food', but APC gives a list of specific 'foods'; so with GE I (honestly) declare 'food' (chocolate/cookies) which is what automatically triggers a secondary check. The CBP people get annoyed (as well as me!).
Doesn't the GE kiosk language say something like "carrying restricted food products"? That is, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "do you have any food at all?" but rather anything that you need to declare.
bennos is offline  
Old Feb 9, 2016, 12:05 pm
  #130  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: where the chile is hot
Programs: AA,RR,NW,Delta ,UA,CO
Posts: 41,714
Originally Posted by bennos
Doesn't the GE kiosk language say something like "carrying restricted food products"? That is, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "do you have any food at all?" but rather anything that you need to declare.
It is confusing - deliberately so, I believe.

First, the GE kiosk language changes - sometimes it lists items, sometimes it includes the all-encompassing word 'food'.

Second, at GE interviews, CBP agents tell some people that 'if it goes in your mouth, it must be declared'.

Third, even if it is allowed (you think), it MUST be declared.

In some cases, CBP says that while federal law may not prohibit something, local regulations may. This is particularly nasty for connecting pax, but I suspect it gets rarely invoked. After all, it would be pretty sh*tty to get something confiscated in SFO because it's banned in CA if you are only connecting in SFO and your final destination is a state that allows your item. In other cases, the reason for denial might not be readily apparent.

A chocolate-dipped fresh strawberry will get confiscated; a true Kinder-egg will also get confiscated. These are both things that most people would just declare as candy or chocolate.

Ironically, I had a Snickers bar once. It would have passed CBP with no problem. Inside, however, the peanuts were infested with worms.
chollie is offline  
Old Apr 26, 2016, 9:28 am
  #131  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 630
update:
first time in 5 years, that I enter the states without an X.
I am not sure if the GE worked or the complaint to TRIP, but I am happy with the outcome.
justsawaufo is offline  
Old Dec 21, 2016, 4:48 pm
  #132  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: PHX
Programs: Whatever you have, I have too.
Posts: 377
I had my GE interview today and I now am an official member of the club whose fingerprints are practically nonexistent. The Immigration officer attempted three times to collect prints that could be read, but was unsuccessful. Then, he went into his explanation of how I could expect to get an "X" and will need a secondary screening probably when coming back into the country. Swell. Even though I did obtain my Known Traveler number, I'm feeling a bit gypped since my $100.00 fee didn't buy me all the trouble-free travel I was hoping for. The only questions I had to answer had to do with verifying my legal name, my date and place of birth, and that was it. I had my photo taken and was told to expect documents to arrive in the mail in a few weeks. We'll see what happens in the future in terms of any time saved at airports. I'm not very encouraged.
Tpa-flyer is offline  
Old Dec 21, 2016, 7:18 pm
  #133  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Programs: DL PM 1MM
Posts: 3,441
Originally Posted by Tpa-flyer
I had my GE interview today and I now am an official member of the club whose fingerprints are practically nonexistent. The Immigration officer attempted three times to collect prints that could be read, but was unsuccessful. Then, he went into his explanation of how I could expect to get an "X" and will need a secondary screening probably when coming back into the country. Swell. Even though I did obtain my Known Traveler number, I'm feeling a bit gypped since my $100.00 fee didn't buy me all the trouble-free travel I was hoping for. The only questions I had to answer had to do with verifying my legal name, my date and place of birth, and that was it. I had my photo taken and was told to expect documents to arrive in the mail in a few weeks. We'll see what happens in the future in terms of any time saved at airports. I'm not very encouraged.
Occasionally, I have had X when the machine upon entry couldn't read my fingerprints for whatever reason. So far for me, it just resulted in an extra 5 seconds talking to the agent - when I mentioned the machine couldn't read my fingerprints, I was on my way. Never had a secondary screening as a result of an X for fingerprints. I think the machine prints the reason for X in fine print/code on the receipt. There's other reasons for X like answering "yes, I've been on a farm", or "yes, I am bringing back food" on the machine - those are what secondary is typically for I believe.
mnbp is offline  
Old Dec 21, 2016, 7:44 pm
  #134  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SJC
Programs: AA, AS, Marriott
Posts: 6,068
Originally Posted by mnbp
Occasionally, I have had X when the machine upon entry couldn't read my fingerprints for whatever reason. So far for me, it just resulted in an extra 5 seconds talking to the agent - when I mentioned the machine couldn't read my fingerprints, I was on my way. Never had a secondary screening as a result of an X for fingerprints. I think the machine prints the reason for X in fine print/code on the receipt. There's other reasons for X like answering "yes, I've been on a farm", or "yes, I am bringing back food" on the machine - those are what secondary is typically for I believe.
Those will get the O, not the X. The X is benign, and I've gotten it a handful of times due to a bad fingerprint read. Never has it cost more than 1 minute of time.
Majuki is offline  
Old Dec 22, 2016, 1:28 am
  #135  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by Tpa-flyer
I had my GE interview today and I now am an official member of the club whose fingerprints are practically nonexistent. The Immigration officer attempted three times to collect prints that could be read, but was unsuccessful. Then, he went into his explanation of how I could expect to get an "X" and will need a secondary screening probably when coming back into the country. Swell. Even though I did obtain my Known Traveler number, I'm feeling a bit gypped since my $100.00 fee didn't buy me all the trouble-free travel I was hoping for. The only questions I had to answer had to do with verifying my legal name, my date and place of birth, and that was it. I had my photo taken and was told to expect documents to arrive in the mail in a few weeks. We'll see what happens in the future in terms of any time saved at airports. I'm not very encouraged.
Even with the X all the time, the GE members still get to use the GE lines; and this still tends to be a pretty good benefit in saving time, at least when international arrivals is busy.
GUWonder is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.