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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 3:28 am
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Thumbs up Not in one place long enough to want to telecommute

I do a mix of part-time sporadic things in the academic / non-profit arenas.

1. 100% on-site, no telecommuting, but in Hawaii.
2. 100% on-site, no telecommuting, but in Hawaii.
3. 100% on-site, locations all over the world (thus all the flying)
4. 90% on-site, rare telecommuting, but in Hawaii.
5. 0% on-site, web+email+IM+VNC broadband access needed.
7. 0% on-site, web+email access needed.
6. 0% on-site, web+email access needed.

I keep meaning to simplify, scale just a few up to the point where I can live of 'em and drop the others... but it's so much fun.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 5:57 am
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Originally Posted by bzbdewd
Well you can have your opinions of course and maybe your experience has been different but my husband generally works 5 days a week and travels 1 - 2 (and often works from the AC or on the plane while flying). He's also very strict about keeping regular hours while TCing no matter where we are. One of the reasons we prefer not TCing from home (or near relatives) is because they assume just because we are home we are available. They tend to get a little upset when we decline because my husband is indeed working. I'm a little more flexible in this regard but he is a nose to the grindstone kind of guy.
Good for your husband. He's like one of the 10%, I mean 0.1% that isn't a TC'ing slacker. This of course is only true if you are telling me the truth. Perhaps I can't handle the truth

But what do we do about the potential wife who wants to grab a windfall off the corporation by having him TC in places where she can live the life of Riley

Originally Posted by mbstone
In my experience the Fascist bosses who hate telecommuting are also the ones who want you to relocate to Bloomington, Birmingham, or Boise.
Those are nice places. How 'bout downtown Detroit?

Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus
In my experience telecommuting has improved productivity.

Employees who are not productive at home are less productive at work - because they socialize at work, go out to lunch, and waste time commuting to work.

Old style bosses who can't trust people like yourself are becoming the dinosaurs of the world. You're just like the 19th century factory owner who did not believe in empowering people.
Nope. If they are not productive at work or home, then they should go to a re-education camp, or be fired.

Just call me T-Rex!

TC'ing is a scam. Just remember, nobody knows you are goofing off before you do. So modulate yourselves accordingly and you will never get caught or exposed The scam lives on!

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 6:47 am
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scam...... LOL

Sun Microsystems (part of the scam) has 40% or more of their workforce telecommuting part time.......in fact if they all decided to go the office at once they wouldn't fit because simply they don't have enough offices

The last time I saw my boss face to face was about 2 years ago........and in reality I work more effectively from home than I could if I had to work office schedule, boss in Europe I am in CST time........when I wake up I check my email and usually do some work while having breakfast....this way he has the stuff before the end of the day in Europe

I can think of a lot of jobs that can be done as effectively (or more ) from home and have $ savings for both sides (transportation for me, office space for boss etc)

In fact during 9/11 telecommuting saved the day as many companies continued to operate .....eh I mean scam........

There is of course a big % of workers who can't be trusted to work and deliver their goals.....but its pretty easy........no results ....byebye (either telecommuting or showing up every day to warm the seat and drink coffee bought by the boss)
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
TC'ing is a scam. Just remember, nobody knows you are goofing off before you do. So modulate yourselves accordingly and you will never get caught or exposed The scam lives on!

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I just don't get it. How can you assume that thousands of telecommuters goof off? I telecommute. I don't goof off. There is -no- reason for me to be in the office. My boss is 1000 miles away, and all my coworkers are spread through the country, from the east coast to the west coast and India. Being in the office provides me with MORE chance to "goof off" by standing around socializing, or going for a long lunch, or whatever.

I'll admit that I'll throw a load of laundry or dishes in during "business hours".. and it took me two years of TC'ing to get to that point. But it's hard to feel guilty about it when I find myself taking conference calls at 7:00am AND 7:00pm in the same day.

It all evens out. I believe my company has faith in me and my ability to meet and exceed my deadlines.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by wolfie_cr
scam...... LOL

Sun Microsystems (part of the scam) has 40% or more of their workforce telecommuting part time.......in fact if they all decided to go the office at once they wouldn't fit because simply they don't have enough offices

The last time I saw my boss face to face was about 2 years ago........
Here is the latest from Morningstar, an excerpt from their report on Sun:


Despite the solid operating margins, we remain disappointed by the lack of overall sales growth at Sun. Particularly disappointing was a 10% decline in data-management products, which we believe is largely due to the StorageTek subsidiary, which makes tape drives for data center storage. Sales growth from other segments didn't impress us either, as computer systems grew 2% and total services revenue grew 3% from last year. We believe that Sun actually lost server market share in the quarter as units declined 15%, much more than recent results from IBM.

While I am glad Sun has recently returned to some profitability, perhaps more adult supervision is required of its workforce. If the workforce can't all fit in the building, then maybe there's too many of them. It's well known that most of the work is done by a few in most organizations, while the others hide. Home is a good place to hide.

Originally Posted by james318
I just don't get it. How can you assume that thousands of telecommuters goof off? I telecommute. I don't goof off... Being in the office provides me with MORE chance to "goof off" by standing around socializing, or going for a long lunch, or whatever...
One should not goof off when in the office either. If one does, due to the temptations, then I submit that these temptations are greater at home. As for the bosses of TC'ers, they are just another part of the scam.

In any case, let me put my goof-off hat on and get back on topic. If I were a TC'er, and hence a slacker, I would pick a location where I could realize my hedonistic and slacker temptations. This would be in places like Las Vegas, Monaco, Paris, Zurich, etc. In general places where I can gamble, womanize, enjoy fine dining, etc. San Miguel de Allende would also be nice, as there is a tauromaquia school nearby where I could take some lessons during my goof-off time, and actually get paid for goofing-off. Who'da thunk?
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:13 am
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I goof off all the time as I telecommute. That just means I have to work more hours than when I focus. Then I make up for it by working an 8 hour shift at 2am on a weekend. And the stuff gets done. Almost always in a time-slot that would not be possible in an office, when I just happen to be maximally productive.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by BingoLoco
I goof off all the time as I telecommute. That just means I have to work more hours than when I focus. Then I make up for it by working an 8 hour shift at 2am on a weekend. And the stuff gets done. Almost always in a time-slot that would not be possible in an office, when I just happen to be maximally productive.
Haha! An honest man. I knew there was at least one honest man out there

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
Allow me to be the Fascist in this thread. In general I do not support the concept of telecommuting (TC). It breeds indolence. In fact those who advocate TC, I believe, are already indolent and are scamming for more goof-off time. So now some want the TC to be done from exotic locations like San Miguel de Allende. Give me a break! I believe TC lowers productivity, and that there is a lot of watching of Jerry Springer while these TC'ers are supposedly working.
I personally do not like Telecommuting, but I disagree with your comments.
Telecommuting gives more flexibility to the employees and increases
productivity. When I have a hectic day ahead, I stay home and start early.
I can save the commuting time and put that to use.

And countless studies report that telecommuting increases productivity,
increases job satisfaction and morale. You are more likely to attract better
job candidates if you offer such flexibility. You'll have happy and loyal
employees.

for OP:
I'd pick Idaho/Wyoming/Montana or Parts of Canada for the summer months and
central America for the winter. Based on your requirement.

If I had my own pick, I'd pick Australia or New Zealand year round but that would be too
far for you.

I'd say pick a place where you can rent a small apartment with broadband internet access for a
reasonable price. It does not have to be in US, You can VIOP your phone(s) and work from anywhere.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
Haha! An honest man. I knew there was at least one honest man out there

Cheers,

M8
I think his point was that he ends up putting in MORE hours telecommuting than if he were just working in the office. It cuts out over an hour of travel time to and from the office in my case; I also end up working much later. My job definitely gets more out of me by working from home rather than always being in the office. I agree that this may not be the best option for some people as it does require some discipline, but it offers needed flexibility for many of us.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
It's well known that most of the work is done by a few in most organizations, while the others hide. Home is a good place to hide.
I think you are talking about the CXO's that hide by going to useless meetings and fancy business trips while issuing themselves hefty bonuses, THAT is the scam, these days I go with 'most things can be done by teleconference'

There is only one metric in my case so as long as the job gets done everything checks out..

Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
perhaps more adult supervision is required of its workforce.
and you are totally correct, to begin with I thought that all the ones involved in a company are normally adults ........and yes , supervision is ALWAYS required whether its TC or not , you can't control what you can't measure and if you can't measure the productivity of your workforce you are destined to failure (TC or no TC)
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by cpx
...Telecommuting gives more flexibility to the employees and increases productivity...

And countless studies report that telecommuting increases productivity,
increases job satisfaction and morale. You are more likely to attract better
job candidates if you offer such flexibility. You'll have happy and loyal
employees...
These studies are just myths propagated by the champions of TC'ing who are in on the scam. Credence is given to these studies by managements who are either in on the TC scam themselves, or are too cowardly to say "no", and who are also too cowardly to provide real leadership. In fact TC'ing is the incestuous cousin of the "leadership by e-mail" crowd; another detriment to true productivity.

Now let's get back to the topic. What are some of the juicier goof off TC locations? I think Wynn at Las Vegas would be great. I can TC in my hotel room while waiting for my name to come up on the poker list for a seat. Wynn has a notification process where you can wait in your room for a seat. Way cool! ^

Cheers,

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
I can TC in my hotel room while waiting for my name to come up on the poker list for a seat. Wynn has a notification process where you can wait in your room for a seat. Way cool! ^

Cheers,

M8
That doesn't work if you are suposed to be available on the computer on a fixed schedule, slacker! , you can of course do the same while you are off-duty but you said "TC in my room while waiting for a poker seat"

On the other hand I have TC from the Bellagio, I forgot the ethernet cord and paid 10 bucks for one in a fancy wrapping LOL

I am expected to TC from London next month, expensive for sure but my wife is going for work reasons so I simply go with her and get free hotel

Buenos Aires sounds like a fun place to TC....ummmmmmm
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by caseaustin
I think his point was that he ends up putting in MORE hours telecommuting than if he were just working in the office. It cuts out over an hour of travel time to and from the office in my case; I also end up working much later. My job definitely gets more out of me by working from home rather than always being in the office. I agree that this may not be the best option for some people as it does require some discipline, but it offers needed flexibility for many of us.
I do end up working more, and getting more done. But not 9-5. I end up working for 20 hours straight and then not at all for 24. Lots of times its 2PM and I'm playing a video game. But I put in 50-60 hours a week.

So: lots of goofing. Lots of working. Like at the moment I'm posting here. Thats because I've already been working 6 hours and I'm exhausted. Was up all night. I'm an insomniac.

Obviously this kind of schedule works better in IT than other professions
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by BingoLoco

Obviously this kind of schedule works better in IT than other professions
Totally off topic....but between your location (GA), your nickname with 'bingo' in it, you saying that work in IT and on top of that what you said about coming to Latin America for business I wonder I know you LOL
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
These studies are just myths propagated by the champions of TC'ing who are in on the scam. Credence is given to these studies by managements who are either in on the TC scam themselves, or are too cowardly to say "no", and who are also too cowardly to provide real leadership. In fact TC'ing is the incestuous cousin of the "leadership by e-mail" crowd; another detriment to true productivity.

Now let's get back to the topic. What are some of the juicier goof off TC locations? I think Wynn at Las Vegas would be great. I can TC in my hotel room while waiting for my name to come up on the poker list for a seat. Wynn has a notification process where you can wait in your room for a seat. Way cool! ^

Cheers,

M8

I guess we have a self proclaimed slacker here.. so how often do you play
poker.. err.. I mean telecommute.
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