Telecommute from where?
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I do a mix of part-time sporadic things in the academic / non-profit arenas.
1. 100% on-site, no telecommuting, but in Hawaii.
2. 100% on-site, no telecommuting, but in Hawaii.
3. 100% on-site, locations all over the world (thus all the flying)
4. 90% on-site, rare telecommuting, but in Hawaii.
5. 0% on-site, web+email+IM+VNC broadband access needed.
7. 0% on-site, web+email access needed.
6. 0% on-site, web+email access needed.
I keep meaning to simplify, scale just a few up to the point where I can live of 'em and drop the others... but it's so much fun.
1. 100% on-site, no telecommuting, but in Hawaii.

2. 100% on-site, no telecommuting, but in Hawaii.

3. 100% on-site, locations all over the world (thus all the flying)
4. 90% on-site, rare telecommuting, but in Hawaii.

5. 0% on-site, web+email+IM+VNC broadband access needed.
7. 0% on-site, web+email access needed.
6. 0% on-site, web+email access needed.
I keep meaning to simplify, scale just a few up to the point where I can live of 'em and drop the others... but it's so much fun.
#17
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Well you can have your opinions of course and maybe your experience has been different but my husband generally works 5 days a week and travels 1 - 2 (and often works from the AC or on the plane while flying). He's also very strict about keeping regular hours while TCing no matter where we are. One of the reasons we prefer not TCing from home (or near relatives) is because they assume just because we are home we are available. They tend to get a little upset when we decline because my husband is indeed working. I'm a little more flexible in this regard but he is a nose to the grindstone kind of guy.

But what do we do about the potential wife who wants to grab a windfall off the corporation by having him TC in places where she can live the life of Riley

In my experience telecommuting has improved productivity.
Employees who are not productive at home are less productive at work - because they socialize at work, go out to lunch, and waste time commuting to work.
Old style bosses who can't trust people like yourself are becoming the dinosaurs of the world. You're just like the 19th century factory owner who did not believe in empowering people.
Employees who are not productive at home are less productive at work - because they socialize at work, go out to lunch, and waste time commuting to work.
Old style bosses who can't trust people like yourself are becoming the dinosaurs of the world. You're just like the 19th century factory owner who did not believe in empowering people.
Just call me T-Rex!

TC'ing is a scam. Just remember, nobody knows you are goofing off before you do. So modulate yourselves accordingly and you will never get caught or exposed
The scam lives on!Cheers,
M8
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scam......
LOL
Sun Microsystems (part of the scam) has 40% or more of their workforce telecommuting part time.......in fact if they all decided to go the office at once they wouldn't fit because simply they don't have enough offices
The last time I saw my boss face to face was about 2 years ago........and in reality I work more effectively from home than I could if I had to work office schedule, boss in Europe I am in CST time........when I wake up I check my email and usually do some work while having breakfast....this way he has the stuff before the end of the day in Europe
I can think of a lot of jobs that can be done as effectively (or more ) from home and have $ savings for both sides (transportation for me, office space for boss etc)
In fact during 9/11 telecommuting saved the day as many companies continued to operate .....eh I mean scam........
There is of course a big % of workers who can't be trusted to work and deliver their goals.....but its pretty easy........no results ....byebye (either telecommuting or showing up every day to warm the seat and drink coffee bought by the boss)
LOLSun Microsystems (part of the scam) has 40% or more of their workforce telecommuting part time.......in fact if they all decided to go the office at once they wouldn't fit because simply they don't have enough offices
The last time I saw my boss face to face was about 2 years ago........and in reality I work more effectively from home than I could if I had to work office schedule, boss in Europe I am in CST time........when I wake up I check my email and usually do some work while having breakfast....this way he has the stuff before the end of the day in Europe
I can think of a lot of jobs that can be done as effectively (or more ) from home and have $ savings for both sides (transportation for me, office space for boss etc)
In fact during 9/11 telecommuting saved the day as many companies continued to operate .....eh I mean scam........

There is of course a big % of workers who can't be trusted to work and deliver their goals.....but its pretty easy........no results ....byebye (either telecommuting or showing up every day to warm the seat and drink coffee bought by the boss)
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I'll admit that I'll throw a load of laundry or dishes in during "business hours".. and it took me two years of TC'ing to get to that point. But it's hard to feel guilty about it when I find myself taking conference calls at 7:00am AND 7:00pm in the same day.
It all evens out. I believe my company has faith in me and my ability to meet and exceed my deadlines.
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scam......
LOL
Sun Microsystems (part of the scam) has 40% or more of their workforce telecommuting part time.......in fact if they all decided to go the office at once they wouldn't fit because simply they don't have enough offices
The last time I saw my boss face to face was about 2 years ago........
LOLSun Microsystems (part of the scam) has 40% or more of their workforce telecommuting part time.......in fact if they all decided to go the office at once they wouldn't fit because simply they don't have enough offices
The last time I saw my boss face to face was about 2 years ago........
Despite the solid operating margins, we remain disappointed by the lack of overall sales growth at Sun. Particularly disappointing was a 10% decline in data-management products, which we believe is largely due to the StorageTek subsidiary, which makes tape drives for data center storage. Sales growth from other segments didn't impress us either, as computer systems grew 2% and total services revenue grew 3% from last year. We believe that Sun actually lost server market share in the quarter as units declined 15%, much more than recent results from IBM.
While I am glad Sun has recently returned to some profitability, perhaps more adult supervision is required of its workforce. If the workforce can't all fit in the building, then maybe there's too many of them. It's well known that most of the work is done by a few in most organizations, while the others hide. Home is a good place to hide.
In any case, let me put my goof-off hat on and get back on topic. If I were a TC'er, and hence a slacker, I would pick a location where I could realize my hedonistic and slacker temptations. This would be in places like Las Vegas, Monaco, Paris, Zurich, etc. In general places where I can gamble, womanize, enjoy fine dining, etc. San Miguel de Allende would also be nice, as there is a tauromaquia school nearby where I could take some lessons during my goof-off time, and actually get paid for goofing-off. Who'da thunk?
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I goof off all the time as I telecommute. That just means I have to work more hours than when I focus. Then I make up for it by working an 8 hour shift at 2am on a weekend. And the stuff gets done. Almost always in a time-slot that would not be possible in an office, when I just happen to be maximally productive.
#22
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I goof off all the time as I telecommute. That just means I have to work more hours than when I focus. Then I make up for it by working an 8 hour shift at 2am on a weekend. And the stuff gets done. Almost always in a time-slot that would not be possible in an office, when I just happen to be maximally productive.

Cheers,
M8
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Allow me to be the Fascist in this thread. In general I do not support the concept of telecommuting (TC). It breeds indolence. In fact those who advocate TC, I believe, are already indolent and are scamming for more goof-off time. So now some want the TC to be done from exotic locations like San Miguel de Allende. Give me a break!
I believe TC lowers productivity, and that there is a lot of watching of Jerry Springer while these TC'ers are supposedly working.
I believe TC lowers productivity, and that there is a lot of watching of Jerry Springer while these TC'ers are supposedly working.Telecommuting gives more flexibility to the employees and increases
productivity. When I have a hectic day ahead, I stay home and start early.
I can save the commuting time and put that to use.
And countless studies report that telecommuting increases productivity,
increases job satisfaction and morale. You are more likely to attract better
job candidates if you offer such flexibility. You'll have happy and loyal
employees.
for OP:
I'd pick Idaho/Wyoming/Montana or Parts of Canada for the summer months and
central America for the winter. Based on your requirement.
If I had my own pick, I'd pick Australia or New Zealand year round
but that would be too far for you.
I'd say pick a place where you can rent a small apartment with broadband internet access for a
reasonable price. It does not have to be in US, You can VIOP your phone(s) and work from anywhere.
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I think his point was that he ends up putting in MORE hours telecommuting than if he were just working in the office. It cuts out over an hour of travel time to and from the office in my case; I also end up working much later. My job definitely gets more out of me by working from home rather than always being in the office. I agree that this may not be the best option for some people as it does require some discipline, but it offers needed flexibility for many of us.
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There is only one metric in my case so as long as the job gets done everything checks out..
and you are totally correct, to begin with I thought that all the ones involved in a company are normally adults ........and yes , supervision is ALWAYS required whether its TC or not , you can't control what you can't measure and if you can't measure the productivity of your workforce you are destined to failure (TC or no TC)
#26
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...Telecommuting gives more flexibility to the employees and increases productivity...
And countless studies report that telecommuting increases productivity,
increases job satisfaction and morale. You are more likely to attract better
job candidates if you offer such flexibility. You'll have happy and loyal
employees...
And countless studies report that telecommuting increases productivity,
increases job satisfaction and morale. You are more likely to attract better
job candidates if you offer such flexibility. You'll have happy and loyal
employees...
Now let's get back to the topic. What are some of the juicier goof off TC locations? I think Wynn at Las Vegas would be great. I can TC in my hotel room while waiting for my name to come up on the poker list for a seat. Wynn has a notification process where you can wait in your room for a seat. Way cool! ^
Cheers,
M8
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, you can of course do the same while you are off-duty but you said "TC in my room while waiting for a poker seat"On the other hand I have TC from the Bellagio, I forgot the ethernet cord and paid 10 bucks for one in a fancy wrapping LOL
I am expected to TC from London next month, expensive for sure but my wife is going for work reasons so I simply go with her and get free hotel
Buenos Aires sounds like a fun place to TC....ummmmmmm
#28
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I think his point was that he ends up putting in MORE hours telecommuting than if he were just working in the office. It cuts out over an hour of travel time to and from the office in my case; I also end up working much later. My job definitely gets more out of me by working from home rather than always being in the office. I agree that this may not be the best option for some people as it does require some discipline, but it offers needed flexibility for many of us.
So: lots of goofing. Lots of working. Like at the moment I'm posting here. Thats because I've already been working 6 hours and I'm exhausted. Was up all night. I'm an insomniac.
Obviously this kind of schedule works better in IT than other professions
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Totally off topic....but between your location (GA), your nickname with 'bingo' in it, you saying that work in IT and on top of that what you said about coming to Latin America for business I wonder I know you LOL
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These studies are just myths propagated by the champions of TC'ing who are in on the scam. Credence is given to these studies by managements who are either in on the TC scam themselves, or are too cowardly to say "no", and who are also too cowardly to provide real leadership. In fact TC'ing is the incestuous cousin of the "leadership by e-mail" crowd; another detriment to true productivity.
Now let's get back to the topic. What are some of the juicier goof off TC locations? I think Wynn at Las Vegas would be great. I can TC in my hotel room while waiting for my name to come up on the poker list for a seat. Wynn has a notification process where you can wait in your room for a seat. Way cool! ^
Cheers,
M8
Now let's get back to the topic. What are some of the juicier goof off TC locations? I think Wynn at Las Vegas would be great. I can TC in my hotel room while waiting for my name to come up on the poker list for a seat. Wynn has a notification process where you can wait in your room for a seat. Way cool! ^
Cheers,
M8
I guess we have a self proclaimed slacker here..
so how often do you playpoker.. err.. I mean telecommute.

