Hmm, that sounds good: looking at UA seatmaps without having to do a dummy booking.

If the fare rules that it pulls up would show the routings, then it might be... Anybody who has signed up can tell us? (The screenshots show fare rules a la Travelocity; that is sans routings).

i can't pull up a trip that was completed 15 hours ago. (last flight departure date was yesterday.) i was able to pull up two upcoming trips, and see the upgrade request for the one segment i've requested.

also thrilled to see that AA includes ship number in its flight status comments.

I just subscribed and am unable to pull up future PNRs for AA or BA, or for BA seatmaps..... if they fix it, I will stay beyond the five days, if not... nope

:td:

Where are the terms and conditions? I can't find them on the site.

They are apparently shown when it asks you to confirm your subscription info before it creates your account.

I just took a look at them again.. it seems that it has been changed (I guess they are reading the thread!) and it no longer states anything about a credit check.

Being in the retail business myself, my guess is that what they meant was they wanted to check the validity of your CC, not your personal credit. (CC fraud is a big problem for me too). Besides, no one can check your credit without you SSN... you're not giving that out are you?? :)

B-I-N-G-O


https://www.expertflyer.com/privacy.pdf

I see it now...interesting, if you leave the class code blank (to see everything), X inventory does not show up - you have to specifically select the X class to view

Just a random thought: maybe if you pull up your ticket on aa.com's "My Reservations" listing, it converts your record from private to public, and then you can see it through Expertflyer?

(This is a totally random thought; I have no way to test it and no reason to believe it will work.)

Actually I was referring to the terms and conditions PDF:

https://www.expertflyer.com/terms.pdf

But yeah, it says the same thing too.

IIRC that's how the other Availability Tool (the text-based one with the graphical game--I forgot the official name of it) works too.

FWIW, I made a reservation/hold on aa.com last night (did not purchase yet), and I was able to pull up my pnr. ^

So you have to give them your name, address, phone number, credit card info, etc., before you can see the terms and conditions? Brilliant :rolleyes:

What I mean is that after you give them the inital info, they then bring you to a new screen and say here are the terms, are you sure you want to do this? Then you have the option of canceling or proceding. How is that bad if you can just abort? I'm subscribed to many other sites on the web that have the same basic process. Nothing bad happened to me :D

Here is one of the fare rules for UA930 SFO-LHR on 1/21:

FARE BASIS CODE
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PENALTY
CANCELLATIONS TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. WAIVED FOR ILLNESS OR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - ILLNESS/DEATH WAIVER MUST BE SUBSTANTIATED BY A MEDICAL/DEATH CERTIFICATE. --- THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE FARE PAID MAY BE APPLIED AS A CREDIT TOWARDS PAYMENT OF ANY HIGHER APPLICABLE FARE TYPE. OUTBOUND - CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGES NOT PERMITTED. NOTE - --WHEN A NEW FARE IS INTRODUCED OR A CURRENT FARE IS DECREASED IN A MARKET TICKETED PASSENGERS MAY DOWNGRADE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINATING FLIGHT AND RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES LESS AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CHARGE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS - A - NO CHANGE MAY BE MADE TO THE ORIGIN/ DESTINATION/CONNECTION/STOPOVER POINTS. B - ALL CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE MUST BE MET INCLUDING THE CORRECT BOOKING CODE AND ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW FARE. C - AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CHARGE OF USD100.00 OR ITS EQUIVALENT CONVERTED AT THE BANK RATE WILL APPLY FOR ALL TICKETS/UNTICKETED PTAS PRESENTED FOR DOWNGRADE. D - IF THE ORIGINAL TICKET HAS A NON-REFUNDABLE PENALTY THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT WILL REMAIN NON-REFUNDABLE. E - FOR NON-REFUNDABLE TICKETS THE RESIDUAL VALUE WILL BE ISSUED IN THE FORM OF A NON-REFUNDABLE VOUCHER FOR TRAVEL ON UA ONLY. INBOUND - CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 200.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. NOTE - --THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES ONCE THE TICKET IS ISSUED. --THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES EACH TIME THE TICKET IS PRESENTED FOR A CHANGE. --ALL CHANGES MUST BE MADE PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE ORIGINALLY SHEDULED FLIGHT AS SHOWN ON THE AFFECTED FLIGHT COUPON. --IF THE FLIGHT IS CANCELLED BEFORE THE TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME THE ITINERARY MAY BE REBOOKED UP TO ONE YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE. --IF THE FLIGHT IS NOT CANCELLED BEFORE THE TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME THE TICKET HAS NO VALUE. --IF THE CHANGE IS NOT MADE PRIOR TO THE DATE SHOWN ON THE AFFECTED FLIGHT COUPON THE TICKET HAS NO VALUE. --IF THE CHANGES REQUESTED BY THE PASSENGER DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE ORIGINAL TICKETED FARE THE FARE MUST BE UPGRADED USING CURRENT FARES TO ANY APPLICABLE FARE PROVIDED THE NEW FARE PERMITS RETROACTIVE USE AND ALL PROVISIONS OF THE UPGRADED FARE ARE MET I.E. BOOKING CLASS. --IF CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE FIRST TICKETED FLIGHT COUPON THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED AT THE -CURRENT-- FARE FOR THE NEW ITINERARY AND MUST RE-QUALIFY FOR THE NEW FARE INCLUDING ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE I.E. BOOKING CLASS ADVANCE RESERVATION AND TICKETING REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/ SEASONALITY PROVISIONS ETC. PLUS THE APPLICABLE CHANGE FEE MUST BE PAID. --THE VALUE OF THE NEW FARE MUST BE EQUAL TO OR HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL FARE. --IF THE NEW ITINERARY REQUALIFIES FOR THE ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE BUT RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE AMOUNT THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF REISSUE. --IF CHANGES ARE MADE TO OTHER THAN THE FIRST TICKETED FLIGHT COUPON THE FARE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE WILL APPLY PROVIDED THE NEW ITINERARY RE-QUALIFIES FOR ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE EXCEPT ADVANCE RESERVATION AND TICKETING REQUIREMENTS. --IF THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN. --THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE ORIGINAL FARE MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD THE UPGRADE TO A NEW FARE TYPE OF HIGHER VALUE WITH NO CHANGE FEE COLLECTED. --WHEN THE ITINERARY CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE/ NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN/ HOWEVER/ THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NON-REFUNDABLE UA TRAVEL VOUCHER TO BE APPLIED TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET VALID FOR TRAVEL ON UA ONLY. --THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE AND MUST BE CARRIED FORWARD TO THE ENDORSEMENT BOX OF THE NEW TICKET. --THE NEW FARE MUST ALLOW RETROACTIVE APPLICATION. --IF THE ONLY COUPONS LEFT ARE FOR DOMESTIC TRAVEL THE TICKET MAY NOT BE REISSUED FOR INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL. --WHEN A NEW FARE IS INTRODUCED OR A CURRENT FARE IS DECREASED IN A MARKET TICKETED PASSENGERS MAY DOWNGRADE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE OF THE ORIGINATING FLIGHT AND RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE DIFFERENCE IN FARES LESS AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CHARGE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS - A - NO CHANGE MAY BE MADE TO THE ORIGIN/ DESTINATION/CONNECTION/STOPOVER POINTS. B - ALL CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE MUST BE MET INCLUDING THE CORRECT BOOKING CODE AND ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW FARE. C - AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CHARGE OF USD100.00 OR ITS EQUIVALENT CONVERTED AT THE BANK RATE WILL APPLY FOR ALL TICKETS/UNTICKETED PTAS PRESENTED FOR DOWNGRADE. D - IF THE ORIGINAL TICKET HAS A NON-REFUNDABLE PENALTY THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT WILL REMAIN NON-REFUNDABLE. E - FOR NON-REFUNDABLE TICKETS THE RESIDUAL VALUE WILL BE ISSUED IN THE FORM OF A NON-REFUNDABLE VOUCHER FOR TRAVEL ON UA ONLY. --- EXCEPTION- DEATH OF FAMILY MEMBER NOT ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER. IN THE EVENT A PASSENGER RETURNS PRIOR TO THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT DUE TO THE DEATH OF AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER NOT TRAVELING WITH THE PASSENGER ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS PAID IN ORDER TO RETURN EARLY WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE PASSENGER PROVIDED A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE IS TURNED IN TO UA. NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN IF THE PASSENGER IS UNABLE TO PRODUCE A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE. --- DEATH OF PASSENGER ENROUTE. IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER THE FARE WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE PASSENGERS ESTATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS IN RULE 90 /REFUNDS/. ANY APPLICABLE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CHANGE WILL APPLY. --- DEATH OF PASSENGER ENROUTE - MINIMUM STAY WAIVER. THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT WILL BE WAIVED DUE TO DEATH OF A PASSENGER AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE WHEN THE SURVIVING COMPANION PASSENGER/S/ DESIRES TO RETURN TRAVEL PRIOR TO THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT. THE TICKET MUST BE ENDORSED -EARLY RETURN DUE TO DEATH OF /DECEASED PASSENGERS NAME/-. --- EXCEPTION- MEDICAL - TICKET EXTENSION. DUE TO ILLNESS AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID MEDICAL CERTIFICATE THE PERIOD OF VALIDITY WILL BE EXTENDED UNTIL THE PASSENGER IS AGAIN FIT TO TRAVEL UP TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE MONTHS. PASSENGER MAY ONLY RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL POINT OF ORIGIN. THIS PROVISION ALSO APPLIES TO PASSENGERS TRAVELLING WITH THE INCAPACITATED PASSENGER. MEDICAL - MINIMUM STAY WAIVER. THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT WILL WAIVED DUE TO ILLNESS AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID MEDICAL CERTIFICATE OF THE PASSENGER IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR TRAVELING COMPANION. A VALID MEDICAL CERFITICATE VERIFYING HOSPITALIZATION MUST BE PRESENTED TO UA AT THE TIME OF RE-TICKETING. THE TICKET MUST BE ENDORSED -EARLY RETURN DUE TO ILLNESS OF /PASSENGERS NAME/-. AFTER DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 200.00. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. NOTE - --THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES ONCE THE TICKET IS ISSUED. --THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES EACH TIME THE TICKET IS PRESENTED FOR A CHANGE. --ALL CHANGES MUST BE MADE PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE ORIGINALLY SHEDULED FLIGHT AS SHOWN ON THE AFFECTED FLIGHT COUPON. --IF THE CHANGE IS NOT MADE PRIOR TO THE DATE SHOWN ON THE AFFECTED FLIGHT COUPON THE TICKET HAS NO VALUE. --IF THE CHANGES REQUESTED BY THE PASSENGER DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE ORIGINAL TICKETED FARE THE FARE MUST BE UPGRADED USING CURRENT FARES TO ANY APPLICABLE FARE PROVIDED THE NEW FARE PERMITS RETROACTIVE USE AND ALL PROVISIONS OF THE UPGRADED FARE ARE MET I.E. BOOKING CLASS. --IF CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE FIRST TICKETED FLIGHT COUPON THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED AT THE -CURRENT-- FARE FOR THE NEW ITINERARY AND MUST RE-QUALIFY FOR THE NEW FARE INCLUDING ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE I.E. BOOKING CLASS ADVANCE RESERVATION AND TICKETING REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/ SEASONALITY PROVISIONS ETC. PLUS THE APPLICABLE CHANGE FEE MUST BE PAID. --THE VALUE OF THE NEW FARE MUST BE EQUAL TO OR HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL FARE. --IF THE NEW ITINERARY REQUALIFIES FOR THE ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE BUT RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE AMOUNT THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE MUST BE COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF REISSUE. --IF CHANGES ARE MADE TO OTHER THAN THE FIRST TICKETED FLIGHT COUPON THE FARE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE WILL APPLY PROVIDED THE NEW ITINERARY RE-QUALIFIES FOR ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORIGINALLY TICKETED FARE EXCEPT ADVANCE RESERVATION AND TICKETING REQUIREMENTS. --IF THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN. --THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE ORIGINAL FARE MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD THE UPGRADE TO A NEW FARE TYPE OF HIGHER VALUE WITH NO CHANGE FEE COLLECTED. --THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE AND MUST BE CARRIED FORWARD TO THE ENDORSEMENT BOX OF THE NEW TICKET. --THE NEW FARE MUST ALLOW RETROACTIVE APPLICATION. --IF THE ONLY COUPONS LEFT ARE FOR DOMESTIC TRAVEL THE TICKET MAY NOT BE REISSUED FOR INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL. --- EXCEPTION- DEATH OF FAMILY MEMBER NOT ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER. IN THE EVENT A PASSENGER RETURNS PRIOR TO THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT DUE TO THE DEATH OF AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER NOT TRAVELING WITH THE PASSENGER ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS PAID IN ORDER TO RETURN EARLY WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE PASSENGER PROVIDED A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE IS TURNED IN TO UA. NO REFUND WILL BE GIVEN IF THE PASSENGER IS UNABLE TO PRODUCE A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE. --- DEATH OF PASSENGER ENROUTE. IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER THE FARE WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE PASSENGERS ESTATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS IN RULE 90 /REFUNDS/. ANY APPLICABLE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CHANGE WILL APPLY. --- DEATH OF PASSENGER ENROUTE - MINIMUM STAY WAIVER. THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT WILL BE WAIVED DUE TO DEATH OF A PASSENGER AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID DEATH CERTIFICATE WHEN THE SURVIVING COMPANION PASSENGER/S/ DESIRES TO RETURN TRAVEL PRIOR TO THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT. THE TICKET MUST BE ENDORSED -EARLY RETURN DUE TO DEATH OF /DECEASED PASSENGERS NAME/-. --- EXCEPTION- MEDICAL - TICKET EXTENSION. DUE TO ILLNESS AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID MEDICAL CERTIFICATE THE PERIOD OF VALIDITY WILL BE EXTENDED UNTIL THE PASSENGER IS AGAIN FIT TO TRAVEL UP TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE MONTHS. PASSENGER MAY ONLY RETURN TO THE ORIGINAL POINT OF ORIGIN. THIS PROVISION ALSO APPLIES TO PASSENGERS TRAVELLING WITH THE INCAPACITATED PASSENGER. MEDICAL - MINIMUM STAY WAIVER. THE MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENT WILL WAIVED DUE TO ILLNESS AS SUBSTANTIATED BY A VALID MEDICAL CERTIFICATE OF THE PASSENGER IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR TRAVELING COMPANION. A VALID MEDICAL CERFITICATE VERIFYING HOSPITALIZATION MUST BE PRESENTED TO UA AT THE TIME OF RE-TICKETING. THE TICKET MUST BE ENDORSED -EARLY RETURN DUE TO ILLNESS OF /PASSENGERS NAME/-.

RES/TKTG
RES MUST BE MADE NO LATER THAN 7 DAYS BEFORE DPTR FROM ORIGIN. TKT MUST BE PURCHASED NO LATER THAN 7 DAYS BEFORE DPTR FROM ORIGIN OR 3 DAYS AFTER RES IS MADE, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. SGMTS USING THIS RULE MUST BE CONFIRMED.

MIN STAY
RETURN TRVL IS VALID ON THE 1ST SUN AFTER 12:01 A.M.. MEASURED FROM DPTR FROM GATEWAY.

MAX STAY
RETURN TRVL MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS. MEASURED FROM DPTR FROM ORIGIN TO DPTR FROM LAST STOPOVER POINT.

DAY/TIME
APPLIES AT ANY TIME MON-THU ON INTL SECTOR. DAY/TIME IS BASED ON TRIP DATE OF INTL SECTOR.

SEASONS
19OCT-16MAR. SAME DATES APPLY EACH YEAR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN AND IS DETERMINED BY DATE OF DEPARTURE OF OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

BLACKOUTS
NO BLACKOUT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

EFF/EXP
TICKET MUST BE ISSUED BY 10JAN05.

FLT APPL
APPLIES TO UA 1-1699/UA 8775-9259/LH 1-1399/LH 3000-4999/ LH 9050-9439 ON THE TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

STOPOVERS
NO ENROUTE STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED. A STOPOVER OCCURS WHEN THE PASSENGER DOES NOT DEPART AN INTERMEDIATE POINT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

TICKET RESTRICTIONS
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED: BY PTA AND SATISFIES TICKETING REQUIREMENTS

SURCHGS
SECURITY SURCHG OF USD 25.00 APPLIES PER ADT/CHD/INF IN EACH DIRECTION. APPLIES TO TRANSATLANTIC INTL SECTOR.

DISCOUNTS
10 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INF PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. INF PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. *** TOUR CONDUCTOR/ SALES AGENT AND OTHER DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY.

REROUTE
SEE PENALTY.

TRANSFERS
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS AS PERMITTED ON THE ROUTING/MPM.

COMBINATIONS
CARRIER / RULE / FARE CIRCLE OPEN ROUND BASIS TRIP JAW TRIP SAME / SAME / SAME C C C SAME / SAME / DIFF C C C SAME / DIFF / SAME C C C SAME / DIFF / DIFF C C C DIFF / SAME / SAME C C C DIFF / SAME / DIFF C C C DIFF / DIFF / SAME C C C DIFF / DIFF / DIFF C C C Y / PERMITTED N / NOT PERMITTED - / DOES NOT APPLY C / SEE TEXT FOR CONDITIONS CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO ROUND TRIP/CIRCLE TRIP/SINGLE OPEN JAW - -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ROUND TRIP FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE/FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE/FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE/FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE/FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE OR WITH H- TYPE/Q- TYPE/S- TYPE/V- TYPE/W- TYPE FARES GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN IPRA VIA UA/LH/BD/OS/SK. -MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS APPLY ROUND TRIP - -PERMITTED. -MAY NOT BE USED IN AROUND THE WORLD FARE CONSTRUCTION. CIRCLE TRIP - -PERMITTED. -MAY NOT BE USED IN AROUND THE WORLD FARE CONSTRUCTION. OPEN JAW - -SINGLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED AT EITHER ORIGIN OR DESTINATION. END-ON-END - -PERMITTED WITH ALL FARES. -CONDITIONS APPLY TO ALL FARE COMPONENTS OF THE JOURNEY. -TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE FARE COMBINATION POINT.

OPEN RTN
NOT ALLOWED.

REFUNDS
SEE PENALTY.

CO-TERMINALS
NOT APPLICABLE.

INTL CONST
MAY BE COMBINED WITH APPLICABLE ARBITRARIES.

MISC
WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED. NOTE - TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR STICKER THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

I've been able to pull up even reservations on hold, as well as seat maps and info on a number of non-US airlines - SN Brussels, MX, EK, etc. But you can not call up itineraries that are past, any more than you can on, say, AA.com.

Before anyone gets kinda paranoic about this, I had no trouble seeing the T&C, the location, or much of anything else I needed to make my decision to try it out. And after all, if it were fraudulent, you can do a reverse charge on your credit card. Though IMO, if it were, it wouldn't work, merely would promise you and not deliver. Not much different than signing up for other web-based services, and cleaner than more than a few.