Julie the Newbie

If you stayed at an American hotel and a Koran was in your nightstand would you have the same reaction? We live in a free country. That's why folks that own hotels can choose to put Bibles, Korans, Watch Towers, or whatever they want in *their* nightstands.

God Bless America. May she never be over-run with folks such as you who would like to control everybody and everything so as not to 'offend'!

KathyWdrf

Uh, Julie, if you're going to spend much time on FlyerTalk, I suggest you cultivate something called.... a sense of humor.


Kathy

Julie the Newbie

Hey Kathy,

Laughing it off would be another option wouldn't it? Okay, I'll try... but in case you didn't notice I'm not usually one to hold back on opinions! I don't see a "biting my tongue smiley" on that legend anywhere!

opushomes

Julie:

Personnally, I do not care what you believe. I care only that you do not attempt to make me believe in your beliefs.

Therefore, it would perhaps be best that you think about what you post before you decide to prostelize.

I was offended by your post, but not enuf to say anything, until you went after Kathy.

Your beliefs are not travel related.

Julie the Newbie

Sorry opushomes and anyone else I might have offended. It was not my intention for my post to Kathy to have a sarcastic tone or to stir things up... Rather, it was meant to have a playful tone to lighten things up. Thus the problem with online forums when tone and facial expressions cannot be interpreted. Kathy helped me out on another topic and I appreciated it. I didn't take offense to her post to me at all and meant for mine to be friendly. The 'biting my tongue smiley' joke was not directed at her, just the topic. When I said laughing it off would be another option I meant it. Did you take it wrong Kathy? So sorry if you did.


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richard

Or you can pray that you don't get the "mystery pasta" that's been going around

boilermaker

A-ha! An OMNI-worthy flame war!

Well, AA doesn't serve much of what you would call food, so you should be safe there.

So much intolerance here! I didn't see julie preaching or "shoving her religion" on anybody. All she said was:

Or is this enough for some to start going off?

Like anything else, if you don't like it, don't read it (or find another carrier).

JetCity

I too wish they'd stop this 100% wasteful practice and spend the money on something useful that will acually benefit someone ... like donating to a charity. If I want to read Psalms I'll bring a bible. However, I'm more likely to be carrying Thus Spoke Zarathustra!

UALOneKPlus

I see both sides here.

Perhaps if AS just left a Jesus card apart from the meal it would be more digestable (pun intended).

If I was non-Christian, and got a meal with a Jesus card with it, I would be offended because it would seem to imply that Jesus (or Christianity) was providing my meal, not my paid fare.

I mean, what if you went to McDonald's and they serviced your meal with a leaflet of Hindu scriptures?

IMHO capitalism and religion seldom mix well, especially when serving a diverse customer base.

mbstone

Remember, AS flies intra-Alaska (the former Wien Air Alaska) type routes. Fly to Nome or Barrow in the winter and you will gain an appreciation for the Jesus cards.

BeautifulFeet

A business owner has the right to post or display anything they choose. You as a travelling consumer have the right not to use that service. I have been in many business establishments that have Buddhist shrines, New Age cyrstals, Kwanzaa scenes, etc. Many Applebees have crucifixes posted over the door (have you ever noticed?).

As a traveller I can either ignore it, be offended by it, or choose to learn from the people who express their faith or traditions openly. I opt for expanding my knowledge of those who share the world around me.

UALOneKPlus

I agree. But a business owner should also be sensitive to the beliefs of his/her customers, if that owner wants the business to prosper.

In many religions the taking of food is very sacred, including Christian traditions. This should be clear to global commercial enterprises.

BearX220

I would just like to point out that it is wrong to call these things "Jesus cards," as the Bible verses/fragments involved are invariably chosen from the Old Testament. Jesus never enters into it. The verses come from Psalms, Proverbs, and Song of Songs mostly. They are generally meditative, feel-good words that might make anyone feel better. This is not an AS plot to promote a particular dogma. They're just trying to be nice.

Some people are not only easily offended, they fail to focus on what they think offends them.

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Eastbay1K

A few points - (1) I don't think the "cards" are appropriate, nor have since I started flying AS in 1986. (2) I still fly AS. (3) A business owner can do whatever he wants (within the bounds of the law) and lets the chips fall based upon the decision. A few random examples: (a) A local car wash once had the name of someone running for political office completely covering the name of the business. I thought it odd because you would think you'd want people to see "car wash" as they are zooming down the street. Given who the name was on the sign, I have never been to that car wash. (b) A lot of people bring their dogs to work (including friends/colleagues of time) - and having witnessed the reactions of some of their potential clients, they may never be back. Others find the dogs delightful. (c) I keep my pet snake in my office, for over 12 years. I know it may offend some, and they may never come back. Others like the concept. Personally, I always thought a good attorney should have a snake in the office. When the other side gets unruly, I simply take her out to eat [Clients love that one]. I take the risk of knowing I may lose business, and/or gain business by having her here. But its my decision and my risk. If I thought it was substantially and negatively affecting my business, maybe she'd move.

csb

Oh, you mean they're Jesus Christ cards--****.

I thought they were passing out old 60's/70's Jesus Alou baseball cards. That would be really cool!