Is this cabotage?
Sep 7, 2019 | 10:12 am
#61
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We are looking to book a return AMS-IAD-YYZ on UA in business then a separate reward ticket from YYZ to a city in the US on AC. Would there be any chance we would be denied boarding? Would it matter if IAD to to YYZ was on AC vs. UA metal if all on UA ticket stock? The reason we would want to book this is that it is pricing about $1700 less per ticket.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Sep 9, 2019 | 8:19 am
#62
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Thanks. We are U.S. citizens with U.S. passports, so visas are not an issue. We purchased a ticket with U.A. metal IAD to YYZ. We also have Global Entry and do not plan to check bags. Is it possible to avoid Canadian Immigration and Customs and just reenter the transborder area with GE? I am aware that we are on our own with the separate tickets.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Sep 13, 2019 | 11:34 am
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Feb 4, 2020 | 10:15 pm
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My wife is stranded in Guam...two foreign airlinesines
My wife was to leave Guam at 2 PM on Yesterday on her way back to US via Asiana and Jet Blue. Guam to ICN and ICN to JFK are considered via foreign carrier. They wouldn't let her fly. I am eagerly awaiting what she plans to do!
Feb 4, 2020 | 10:18 pm
#65
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My wife is stranded in Guam...two foreign airlines
Did she get to Guam by the same way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni...tional_Airport
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=GUM-ICN-JFK&MS=wls&DU=mi
Feb 5, 2020 | 7:14 am
#66
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front desk
Who is "they"?
Did she get to Guam by the same way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni...tional_Airport
Great Circle Mapper
Did she get to Guam by the same way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni...tional_Airport
Great Circle Mapper
She just bought an oneway ticket by United and will be here (Orlando) tomorrow night.
Feb 5, 2020 | 6:01 pm
#67
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sucks for consumers though - they won't know the finer details about cabotage
Feb 6, 2020 | 7:09 am
#68
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No travel agent
at least they (asiana) wont get fined by DOT, and looks like their system to catch potential cabotage works. can you confirm they were separate tickets (or maybe booked via travel agent, separate PNRs/ticket numbers?)
sucks for consumers though - they won't know the finer details about cabotage
sucks for consumers though - they won't know the finer details about cabotage
Feb 6, 2020 | 9:40 am
#69
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Consumer buys separate tickets which are fine individually (continental USA-ICN, ICN-Guam). Consumer doesn't know about cabotage rules, that this is illegal. No recourse (if you look at precious occurrences, Asiana/KE makes you stay in Seoul for 96 hours to 'reset' cabotage)
If you bought the whole trip via a travel agent or travel portal, maybe you have recourse against them (they should be catching this illegal connection and refuse to sell it to you)
Feb 6, 2020 | 2:47 pm
#70
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We are looking to book a return AMS-IAD-YYZ on UA in business then a separate reward ticket from YYZ to a city in the US on AC. Would there be any chance we would be denied boarding? Would it matter if IAD to to YYZ was on AC vs. UA metal if all on UA ticket stock? The reason we would want to book this is that it is pricing about $1700 less per ticket.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Aug 21, 2020 | 2:04 pm
#71
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Hi all, another cabotage question as this seems to be the thread of choice.
Does ticket stock or codeshare matter, or is it literally just if one of the legs is operated by a US carrier?
Example for clarity:
XXX - MEX on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Aerolitoral
MEX - JFK on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Delta
Also curious if somehow round trip or one-way made any difference?
Does ticket stock or codeshare matter, or is it literally just if one of the legs is operated by a US carrier?
Example for clarity:
XXX - MEX on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Aerolitoral
MEX - JFK on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Delta
Also curious if somehow round trip or one-way made any difference?
Aug 21, 2020 | 2:37 pm
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Hi all, another cabotage question as this seems to be the thread of choice.
Does ticket stock or codeshare matter, or is it literally just if one of the legs is operated by a US carrier?
Example for clarity:
XXX - MEX on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Aerolitoral
MEX - JFK on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Delta
Also curious if somehow round trip or one-way made any difference?
Does ticket stock or codeshare matter, or is it literally just if one of the legs is operated by a US carrier?
Example for clarity:
XXX - MEX on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Aerolitoral
MEX - JFK on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Delta
Also curious if somehow round trip or one-way made any difference?
Aerolitoral seems to be a regional airline of Aeromxico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerom%C3%A9xico_Connect
To me you are over thinking this and getting confused on what cabotage means
Is it just a normal flight from regional Mexico and then onto USA? Like 1000's of others
Edit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabotage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedoms_of_the_air
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Aug 21, 2020 at 3:27 pm
Aug 21, 2020 | 9:40 pm
#74
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Hi all, another cabotage question as this seems to be the thread of choice.
Does ticket stock or codeshare matter, or is it literally just if one of the legs is operated by a US carrier?
Example for clarity:
XXX - MEX on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Aerolitoral
MEX - JFK on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Delta
Also curious if somehow round trip or one-way made any difference?
Does ticket stock or codeshare matter, or is it literally just if one of the legs is operated by a US carrier?
Example for clarity:
XXX - MEX on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Aerolitoral
MEX - JFK on AM ticket, AM flight number, operated by Delta
Also curious if somehow round trip or one-way made any difference?
However, according to DL, if marketing carrier is not US, it is cabotage.
https://pro.delta.com/content/agency.../cabotage.html
If travel originates from a U.S. city, Delta cannot sell a ticket to Guam (GUM) with a connection in Seoul, Korea (ICN) if none of the flights are operated or marketed by a U.S. Carrier.
- ATL to ICN on KE-designated, KE-operated flight connecting to GUM on KE-designated, KE-operated flight is considered Cabotage.
- ATL to ICN on a KE-designated, DL-operated flight, connecting on to GUM on KE-designated, KE-operated flight is also considered Cabatage (sic).
My apologies as this doesn't really answer anything.
Last edited by seawolf; Aug 21, 2020 at 9:45 pm
Aug 22, 2020 | 7:51 am
#75
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Thanks all, and apologies I wasnt clear. I meant XXX to be any USA destination. So this is USA to USA with layover in MEX.
AM or Aerolitoral/AMConnct fly to a handful of places depending on time of year.
LAX/SFO/IAH MEX (AM ticket, AM code, Aerolitoral metal)
MEX JFK (AM ticket, AM code, DL metal)
MEX JFK is marketed by both and operated by DL, but ticket would be AM ticket/code
AM or Aerolitoral/AMConnct fly to a handful of places depending on time of year.
LAX/SFO/IAH MEX (AM ticket, AM code, Aerolitoral metal)
MEX JFK (AM ticket, AM code, DL metal)
MEX JFK is marketed by both and operated by DL, but ticket would be AM ticket/code