"Invasion" by Arab Gulf Airlines.
#451
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I wish they would bring that old culture back. There would be a lot of flight attendants either facing losing a job or getting in shape. Asian flight attendants are all slim and attractive as are most european flight attendants. US flight attendants are in comparison have poor attitudes and are overweight dinosaurs.
Oh well.
Oh well.
However I fully support the idea of mandatory physical fitness, including for all passengers.
As for attitude, I'm proud of the attitude displayed by FAs Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney. They weren't obsequious and obedient and smiling, they disobeyed and made phone calls. But they're dead now.
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WTO isn't planning to get involved: link
Good call IMO. Allowing foreign ownership sounds like it would be a fair trade though, maybe something to think about in the future.
Good call IMO. Allowing foreign ownership sounds like it would be a fair trade though, maybe something to think about in the future.
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WTO isn't planning to get involved: link
Good call IMO. Allowing foreign ownership sounds like it would be a fair trade though, maybe something to think about in the future.
Good call IMO. Allowing foreign ownership sounds like it would be a fair trade though, maybe something to think about in the future.
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I ended up not taking EK from Milan, though a friend did.
I took BA, returning with BA but then turning around and taking EK the next day. Am sure that I will notice the difference in service.
I took BA, returning with BA but then turning around and taking EK the next day. Am sure that I will notice the difference in service.
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Doug Parker whining now, when AA had $2 billion in profits in a recent quarter.
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....and-consumers/
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Doug Parker whining now, when AA had $2 billion in profits in a recent quarter.
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....and-consumers/
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I find it difficult to take anyone seriously who has been stupid enough to get 3 DUIs over the course of their sorry life. At least when RA complains, it's coming from a fairly respectable individual (albeit, rather whiny). Deep Discount Doug is truly the pond scum of the industry.
The GSC are beating them at their own game, I look forward to my next flight on EK in January and going to reserve CDG in the coming months and oh by the by I don't fly them domestically.
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He couldn't build the airline the old fashion way so he begged and begged and finally had merger. But he is drinking the same Kool Aide as Dickie boy at DL, smithsonian age metal, lousy attitudes and poor food. Not forgetting all the tax breaks they get and are trying to get more.
The GSC are beating them at their own game, I look forward to my next flight on EK in January and going to reserve CDG in the coming months and oh by the by I don't fly them domestically.
The GSC are beating them at their own game, I look forward to my next flight on EK in January and going to reserve CDG in the coming months and oh by the by I don't fly them domestically.
You don't like Doug Parker. Fine. But he and Scott Kirby started with nothing (essentially bankrupt and failing America West airlines after 9/11) and turned it into the largest and most profitable airline in the world.
Have you accomplished as much in your life?
The reality is that the Middle East airlines ARE fantastically subsidized. To the tune of tens of billions of dollars. This can't be seriously challenged. If you don't want to believe the US3, look at how the ME3 operate. They fly flights and buy planes that no other airlines in the world fly or buy. The rest of the world's airlines aren't stupid. They just don't have the billions of dollars to burn.
This is nothing wrong with a businessman asking his government to stop a massively subsidized foreign competitor (owned by a gov't, no less!) from selling below cost product in his country. Indeed, if that businessman didn't complain, he'd be a fool.
And as Parker's remarkable record of success shows, he's no fool.
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If he wants the US govt. to intercede on behalf of his company, do what every US company does, pay for lobbyists to buy some congressmen.
His company is flush with money so now's the time to do it.
What is with these op-eds? Do the US airlines think the public would be sympathetic to them?
His company is flush with money so now's the time to do it.
What is with these op-eds? Do the US airlines think the public would be sympathetic to them?
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Oh, please. This is rubbish.
You don't like Doug Parker. Fine. But he and Scott Kirby started with nothing (essentially bankrupt and failing America West airlines after 9/11) and turned it into the largest and most profitable airline in the world.
Have you accomplished as much in your life?
The reality is that the Middle East airlines ARE fantastically subsidized. To the tune of tens of billions of dollars. This can't be seriously challenged. If you don't want to believe the US3, look at how the ME3 operate. They fly flights and buy planes that no other airlines in the world fly or buy. The rest of the world's airlines aren't stupid. They just don't have the billions of dollars to burn.
This is nothing wrong with a businessman asking his government to stop a massively subsidized foreign competitor (owned by a gov't, no less!) from selling below cost product in his country. Indeed, if that businessman didn't complain, he'd be a fool.
And as Parker's remarkable record of success shows, he's no fool.
You don't like Doug Parker. Fine. But he and Scott Kirby started with nothing (essentially bankrupt and failing America West airlines after 9/11) and turned it into the largest and most profitable airline in the world.
Have you accomplished as much in your life?
The reality is that the Middle East airlines ARE fantastically subsidized. To the tune of tens of billions of dollars. This can't be seriously challenged. If you don't want to believe the US3, look at how the ME3 operate. They fly flights and buy planes that no other airlines in the world fly or buy. The rest of the world's airlines aren't stupid. They just don't have the billions of dollars to burn.
This is nothing wrong with a businessman asking his government to stop a massively subsidized foreign competitor (owned by a gov't, no less!) from selling below cost product in his country. Indeed, if that businessman didn't complain, he'd be a fool.
And as Parker's remarkable record of success shows, he's no fool.
As for AW was always a dog, US Airways followed suit. He knew he had to merge to grow otherwise US Air was in decline. I know several long time Chairman's Club members and what they have said. And by the by I originally grew up schooled in the Mid Atlantic so I remember Piedmont and of course you do remember being so informed that the MARS family was an owner.
Subsidized please wake up and smell the coffee.
#461
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Even the article mentioned says:
The original airline document making the subsidy case turned out to be a fraud, doctoring quotes. Emirates probably isn’t subsidized, or at least may even be less subsidized than the US airlines are.
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@iahphx
You do know that there's been a tone down in accusation towards EK? After the facts were presented (which can be easily verified) by EK, the article seems to be geared more towards "We are an American company, hence you need to protect us from competition". Never mind the fact that Alaska, Fed-Ex, Jetblue and associated services are benefiting from the Open Skies agreement, and the risk to the employees of these (also) American company. Doug only cares about HIS company's P&L.
You do know that there's been a tone down in accusation towards EK? After the facts were presented (which can be easily verified) by EK, the article seems to be geared more towards "We are an American company, hence you need to protect us from competition". Never mind the fact that Alaska, Fed-Ex, Jetblue and associated services are benefiting from the Open Skies agreement, and the risk to the employees of these (also) American company. Doug only cares about HIS company's P&L.
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@iahphx
You do know that there's been a tone down in accusation towards EK? After the facts were presented (which can be easily verified) by EK, the article seems to be geared more towards "We are an American company, hence you need to protect us from competition". Never mind the fact that Alaska, Fed-Ex, Jetblue and associated services are benefiting from the Open Skies agreement, and the risk to the employees of these (also) American company. Doug only cares about HIS company's P&L.
You do know that there's been a tone down in accusation towards EK? After the facts were presented (which can be easily verified) by EK, the article seems to be geared more towards "We are an American company, hence you need to protect us from competition". Never mind the fact that Alaska, Fed-Ex, Jetblue and associated services are benefiting from the Open Skies agreement, and the risk to the employees of these (also) American company. Doug only cares about HIS company's P&L.
The accusations were toned down because it became apparent that other US companies and the public were not as supportive as hoped.
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Give people something more than an industry-worst product and maybe they'll actually pay for it and do business with you...
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If auditor's reports are not trusted, then what else can be done to prove their innocence? The burden of proof is almost impossible to meet, and it'll turn into a "presume guilty, until proven innocent" scenario.