"Invasion" by Arab Gulf Airlines.
Dec 29, 2015, 11:34 pm
#556
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I just reviewed ticket cost pricing for my wife and friends to go on a horseback safari in Africa, EK almost a year out was $900.00 RT. Having been on EK and seeing first hand the quality of service even in coach that's a hell of a deal. SO would you fly a old DL767 or well aged AB 330 DL was $1375.00 for same time frame.
If I could be assured of A380s, I'd take that seat width over the 767's narrower seats, but I'd still prefer the A330 2-4-2 layout to 3-4-3 on the big bird.
Even if everyone was buying on price GSC's look pretty good as well .
Dec 30, 2015, 8:41 am
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Given that there aren't many direct US-Africa flights, and those that are tend to be on African carriers and only to the East Coast, the routings make more sense than many. Either way, you'd connecting somewhere, and if it's East Africa, it may not add that much distance, and EK may very well be the more familiar carrier than say, Kenya Airways or Uganda Airways.
Not that I'd be flying either DL or EK -- OneWorld status and all -- but if in coach I'd much rather fly an older plane with more seat room (e.g. the A330) or equally bad seat room, but a 2-3-2 layout on the 767, than the EK 77W 10-across layout.
If I could be assured of A380s, I'd take that seat width over the 767's narrower seats, but I'd still prefer the A330 2-4-2 layout to 3-4-3 on the big bird.
Totally depends on the route.
Not that I'd be flying either DL or EK -- OneWorld status and all -- but if in coach I'd much rather fly an older plane with more seat room (e.g. the A330) or equally bad seat room, but a 2-3-2 layout on the 767, than the EK 77W 10-across layout.
If I could be assured of A380s, I'd take that seat width over the 767's narrower seats, but I'd still prefer the A330 2-4-2 layout to 3-4-3 on the big bird.
Totally depends on the route.
No matter whom you fly it's 26 + hours.
Dec 30, 2015, 9:09 am
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(with the exception of Canada/Mexico, where paying this tax would be cheaper than the flat rate $17.7 tax for international departure/arrival.)
Airline miles must also be taxed at this rate, as the US government has no knowledge of whether these miles will be used for domestic or international itineraries until they are redeemed.
Dec 30, 2015, 9:13 am
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Seriously, this is such an outdated quote that it is laughable. Whether "WE" like it or not - it is a global economy. In that case you should stop buying in the supermarkets - Target, Sams, Walmart etc etc - because guess what 90% of the stuff now is manufactured in China. How about your electronics and smartphones ?? Made in China. Your generic drugs - made in Mexico or India. Your clothes - made abroad. So, would you stop buying all these. Sorry, but time to get real.
HTC (also a top company) makes their phones in Taiwan.
My phone is a HTC, but only because I buy based on specifications/interface/price, not because of origin of the product.
(I also have an iphone for work purposes, because i must sometimes do work with apps running ios.)
Feb 9, 2016, 5:14 pm
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Seriously, this is such an outdated quote that it is laughable. Whether "WE" like it or not - it is a global economy. In that case you should stop buying in the supermarkets - Target, Sams, Walmart etc etc - because guess what 90% of the stuff now is manufactured in China. How about your electronics and smartphones ?? Made in China. Your generic drugs - made in Mexico or India. Your clothes - made abroad. So, would you stop buying all these. Sorry, but time to get real.
As far as digging my head - if the companies dont care about me and my family - why should we ?? To save a few pennies - they outsource . And the public is at fault for buying something that benefits a person and his family ?? The lack of logic just beats me. And also - tested on animals ?? I dont know if you are aware - but all drugs used in humans are first tested on lab animals. So, in this case - would you not use any drug or medicine out there ??
And the real reason the US carriers are worried about are the invasion of foreign airlines into the US-Europe sector. Forget about the Asia or subcontinent market. The US carriers have lost out and are no match there. Hence their desire to maintain a dominance in the US-Europe sector. Simple as that. Pure economics and money play here.
As far as digging my head - if the companies dont care about me and my family - why should we ?? To save a few pennies - they outsource . And the public is at fault for buying something that benefits a person and his family ?? The lack of logic just beats me. And also - tested on animals ?? I dont know if you are aware - but all drugs used in humans are first tested on lab animals. So, in this case - would you not use any drug or medicine out there ??
And the real reason the US carriers are worried about are the invasion of foreign airlines into the US-Europe sector. Forget about the Asia or subcontinent market. The US carriers have lost out and are no match there. Hence their desire to maintain a dominance in the US-Europe sector. Simple as that. Pure economics and money play here.
Feb 9, 2016, 5:18 pm
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Personally I'm more concerned about noncompetitive consolidation and failing companies being allowed to restructure through a Ch. 11 process. Let failing companies die, there's a reason they're failing.
Feb 10, 2016, 10:12 am
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So very true. When it comes to the Big Three whining about subsidies there are many tax abatements, Chapter 11, cram down on the pension funds, that the US carriers enjoy.