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Old Jun 5, 2018, 9:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
I remember seeing First Air in the schedules years ago when I was looking for short and cheap routes on which to fly new airlines. I think we're talking about Ottawa to Montreal. If it wasn't Montreal, then it was Toronto but I'm pretty confident about Ottawa. Also, I believe First Air flew between Ottawa and Boston. If I remember correctly, we'd be looking at a 727-100 along with the HS-748.
Close enough! I was looking for a point-to-point route here and believe Ottawa - Montreal as flown by First Air may have been more of a tag route for service up to and back from remote locations of northern Canada.

And so, Ottawa - Boston is correct!

Here are the round trip scheds from 1989.....

7F 900: Ottawa (YOW) 6:50a - 8:20a Boston (BOS)
Op: Daily except Sat. & Sun.
Equip: HS-748
Meal: Breakfast

7F 910: Ottawa (YOW) 7:50a - 9:25a Boston (BOS)
Op: Sat. only
Equip: HS-748
Meal: Breakfast

7F 920: Ottawa (YOW) 5:30p - 6:30p Boston (BOS)
Op: Daily except Sat.
Equip: B727-100 Combi
Meal: Dinner


7F 901: Boston (BOS) 8:55a - 10:40a Ottawa (YOW)
Op: Daily except Sat. & Sun.
Equip: HS-748
Meal: Breakfast

7F 911: Boston (BOS) 10:00a - 11:40a Ottawa (YOW)
Op: Sat. only
Equip: HS-748
Meal: Breakfast

7F 921: Boston (BOS) 7:10p - 8:15p Ottawa (YOW)
Op: Daily except Sat.
Equip: B727-100 Combi
Meal: Dinner

I wonder how much freight was actually transported on the main deck of the 727 Combi on the flights operated with this equipment?
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Old Jun 5, 2018, 10:25 pm
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16- PHL-STL, four stops, 1970
the fact that you haven't explicitly mentioned availability of F, or that the equipment was a jet, leads me to believe we may have an American Airlines Lockheed Electra; I don't recall the big turboprop serving PHL that late in its AA career, but what the heck ... let's say Washington National (DCA), Charleston WV (CRW), Cincinnati (CVG), and Louisville (SDF)
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 12:05 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
Close enough! I was looking for a point-to-point route here and believe Ottawa - Montreal as flown by First Air may have been more of a tag route for service up to and back from remote locations of northern Canada.

And so, Ottawa - Boston is correct!

Here are the round trip scheds from 1989.....

7F 900: Ottawa (YOW) 6:50a - 8:20a Boston (BOS)
Op: Daily except Sat. & Sun.


JL, thank you for the detail you put into transcribing these schedules. Honestly, that's a fair bit of time to type all those up and I'm sure I speak for many when I say we are most appreciative. ^^
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 12:09 am
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16. It’s Thanksgiving weekend and you’ve just finished a delicious cheesesteak sandwich while watching your Philadelphia Flyers wreak havoc on the hapless New York Rangers. Man! The Broad Street Bullies whupped up on them Rangers like a red headed stepchild! And tomorrow, the Eagles are in a classic NFC East battle against the hated Dallas Cowboys. What a weekend! Suddenly the phone rings. Not so fast, says your boss. I need you in St. Louis by Monday morning. Oh no! You’ll have to fly out tomorrow afternoon. Unfortunately, because it’s Sunday on Thanksgiving weekend, all of the mid-day, afternoon and evening flights are sold out. The only thing available is a four-stop flight departing Philadelphia tomorrow morning at 6:35am. So be it. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the equipment please.

The fact that you haven't explicitly mentioned availability of F, or that the equipment was a jet, leads me to believe we may have an American Airlines Lockheed Electra; I don't recall the big turboprop serving PHL that late in its AA career, but what the heck ... let's say Washington National (DCA), Charleston WV (CRW), Cincinnati (CVG), and Louisville (SDF)

I like your creativity in approaching this answer, J! For the record, the airline and aircraft did offer First Class seating, it was not American Airlines AND best of all - you've correctly identified one of the stops, that being Louisville (SDF). Louisville was the third stop.

Please, do carry on! ^

Regarding your question:

ORD - (10): Airline 8, Model 9

Let's go with Eastern Airlines operating a Boeing 757-200 to Atlanta

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Old Jun 6, 2018, 10:46 am
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16. (The jlemon Special) It’s Thanksgiving weekend and you’ve just finished a delicious cheesesteak sandwich while watching your Philadelphia Flyers wreak havoc on the hapless New York Rangers. Man! The Broad Street Bullies whupped up on them Rangers like a red headed stepchild! And tomorrow, the Eagles are in a classic NFC East battle against the hated Dallas Cowboys. What a weekend! Suddenly the phone rings. Not so fast, says your boss. I need you in St. Louis by Monday morning. Oh no! You’ll have to fly out tomorrow afternoon. Unfortunately, because it’s Sunday on Thanksgiving weekend, all of the mid-day, afternoon and evening flights are sold out. The only thing available is a four-stop flight departing Philadelphia tomorrow morning at 6:35am. So be it. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the equipment please.
16. Perhaps this was the "Wings of Man".....Eastern.

And I'll hazard yet another wild guess concerning the routing and the equipment: Philadelphia - Baltimore - Atlanta - Louisville - Evansville - St. Louis operated with a B727-100.

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Old Jun 6, 2018, 10:50 am
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I think jlemon meant Evansville (EVV) ... but I think we have tag-teamed this

BAL was eliminated earlier; my guess would be EA with a DC-9-30 via Wilmington DE (ILG), Charlotte (CLT), SDF, and EVV
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
Regarding your question:

ORD - (10): Airline 8, Model 9

Let's go with Eastern Airlines operating a Boeing 757-200 to Atlanta
EA is CORRECT
ATL is CORRECT
757 is CORRECT
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767
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I think jlemon meant Evansville (EVV) ... but I think we have tag-teamed this

BAL was eliminated earlier; my guess would be EA with a DC-9-30 via Wilmington DE (ILG), Charlotte (CLT), SDF, and EVV
Whoops....I did mean Evansville (now fixed).

And I missed the fact that Baltimore had been eliminated but did catch that Washington National was out, too.....
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SHOULDN'T BE TOO HARD TO WRAP THIS UP NOW

All aircraft are twin-engine jets ... flights on Monday thru Thursday, and the first flight on Friday, are on jets of increasing size; flights thereafter are on aircraft of decreasing size

To recap relevant clues:
  1. Airports yet to appear (not necessarily in sequence): BOS, PHL, two in Florida (one is located farther south than TPA), two others separated by approx 70 miles, and two still unknow
  2. At the time in question (summer 1983), both Model #11 and the later-ubiquitous 757 were only in service with EA
  3. Airports 14 and 15 are the Florida airports
  4. Airports 16 and 17 are in the same state
  5. Airport 16 is a hub for Airline 9
  6. The navaid with the designator for Airport 8 is probably a waypoint on the flight to ATL
  7. Airports 10, 11, 12, and 13 are pretty much on a straight line that is just about perpendicular to the track from ORD to ATL
Monday
SYR - BDL, UR F28
BDL - CLE: AL, BAC 1-11
Tuesday
CLE - DTW: RC, DC9
DTW - TPA: DL, D9S
TPA - PIE: Surface
PIE - EWR: PE, 737
Wednesday
EWR - ORD: UA, 73S
ORD - (8): RC, D95
Thursday
(8) - STL: TW, D98 (MD-80)
STL - ORD: Surface, approx 220 miles
ORD - ATL: EA, 757
ATL - (11): DL, 767
Friday
(11) - (12): EA, Model 11
(12) - (13): EA, Model 11
(13) - ATL: DL, 767
ATL - (14): EA, 757
Saturday
(14) - (15): TW, D98 (MD-80)
(15) - (14): EA, D95
(14) - (16): Airline 9, 73S
Sunday
(16) - (17): Surface, approx 70 miles
(17) - EWR: PE, 737
EWR - DTW: NY, D9S
Monday
DTW - BDL: IW, DC9
BDL - (18): AL, BAC 1-11
(18) - SYR: UR, F28

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Old Jun 6, 2018, 10:56 pm
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16. (The jlemon Special) It’s Thanksgiving weekend and you’ve just finished a delicious cheesesteak sandwich while watching your Philadelphia Flyers wreak havoc on the hapless New York Rangers. Man! The Broad Street Bullies whupped up on them Rangers like a red headed stepchild! And tomorrow, the Eagles are in a classic NFC East battle against the hated Dallas Cowboys. What a weekend! Suddenly the phone rings. Not so fast, says your boss. I need you in St. Louis by Monday morning. Oh no! You’ll have to fly out tomorrow afternoon. Unfortunately, because it’s Sunday on Thanksgiving weekend, all of the mid-day, afternoon and evening flights are sold out. The only thing available is a four-stop flight departing Philadelphia tomorrow morning at 6:35am. So be it. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the enroute stops and the equipment please.

Per jlemon: Perhaps this was the "Wings of Man".....Eastern. And I'll hazard yet another wild guess concerning the routing and the equipment: Philadelphia - Baltimore - Atlanta - Louisville - Evansville - St. Louis operated with a B727-100.

Per jrl767: I think jlemon meant Evansville (EVV) ... but I think we have tag-teamed this. BAL was eliminated earlier; my guess would be EA with a DC-9-30 via Wilmington DE (ILG), Charlotte (CLT), SDF, and EVV

Per Seat 2A: Whoa! I'm impressed! You two make a formidable tag team. However, in a review of the posts related to this question, I can't find where DCA was ever eliminated from consideration. It wasn't. BAL/BWI was. In any event, between the two of youse, yer close enough to the truth, so let's move on. Here's the schedule:

EA 653 Philadelphia (PHL) 635a – 700a Wilmington (ILG) 720a – 753a Washington DC (DCA) 820a – 944a B Louisville (SDF) 1015a – 944a Evansville (EVV) 1012a – 1055a St. Louis (STL)
Equipment: DC-9-30
Frequency: Sunday only
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Old Jun 6, 2018, 11:03 pm
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We welcome any and all new participants to the quiz who’d like to join in.

The intent of this quiz is have you provide your best educated answer or guess (just like a quiz in school) rather than to merely go look up the answer on the internet, which in many cases could be easily done but would then reduce this to little more than a simple toss and fetch exercise.

There’s no harm in providing the wrong answer (See most of mine, of late ) and some of the answers provided along the journey to the true answer engender some interesting discussions and memories along the way.

As always, please limit your responses to no more than 2-3 questions at a time.


So then, we're off to a fast start on this batch. Here are the rest:


LOGOJETS
Note: To qualify as a logojet, the majority of the livery must be dedicated to promoting its subject. A mere sticker or decal would not by itself qualify.

5. What is the largest mammal (non-cartoon) ever painted onto an airplane?

6. Identify all of the American MLB baseball teams that have been represented as logojets. Team airplanes (such as the LA Dodgers 720B) and sports charters do not count. Nor do aircraft which wear the host airline’s livery with only a team logo decal applied. There are less teams and logojets than you might think. Alright then – batter up!
Jet Blue (Boston Red Sox A320), Alaska (SF Giants A321) and Air Tran (Milwaukee Brewers 717) have been identified so far. Let's bring this question around all the bases and head for home!

7. This American pop star has been made larger than life on a logo jet operated by a foreign airline. Identify the pop star, the airline and the aircraft type.


THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS ARE SOURCED FROM A 1970 OAG


11. Identify the longest scheduled turboprop operated nonstop flight listed in this 1970 OAG. Airline, aircraft and route please.

12. Everybody knows that the longest scheduled flight operated between airports within the 50 United States is the 4970 flight between New York and Honolulu. Based upon the 1970 schedules, identify the second and third longest flights as well as the airline and aircraft that operated them. And yes, Hawaii was involved...

13. Identify the longest scheduled piston engine operated nonstop flight listed in this OAG. Airline, aircraft and route please.

14. Identify the only transcon route in the United States that has no flights operated by four engine jets.


MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS

24. The DC-8 was originally offered in four different models – the -10, -20, -30 and -40. Can you identify which airline launched service with each type and over which routes those flights commenced?

26. In 1984, three airlines operated all-economy class configured aircraft on the New York JFK to Miami route. Identify the three airlines and the equipment each operated

30. The stretched models of the DC-8 (series 60s) were available in three different models – the -61, -62 and -63. Can you identify which airline launched service with each type and over which routes those flights commenced?


THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS ARE SOURCED FROM A 1998 OAG

37. Normally your job has you flying the nonstop flight between your home in Colorado Springs and either Chicago or Houston. This time however, business demands you be in San Antonio. Well dang – that’s going to require a connection in either Denver or Houston – neither of which you look forward to. Imagine then your surprise and delight when the company’s travel office informs you that you’ll be flying down to SAT aboard a nonstop flight. Woo-Hoo! Who knew there was nonstop service between COS and SAT? Or that it wouldn't be on hometown airline Western Pacific? Identify the airline and aircraft you’ll be flying upon.

39. If you wanted to fly between Cancun and Miami in early 1998, you had a choice of four airlines. Two of them – AA and MX – you’ve logged plenty of flights upon. The other two are foreign carriers operating via fifth freedom rights. Neither of these airlines is from North or Central America and neither is operating widebody equipment. Can you identify each airline and the equipment each operates?
Iberia operating a DC-9-30 has been correctly identified. The other airline - which operates a 727-200 - has not.

40. This week the job has you flying from Calgary to Toronto. Canada’s two legacy carriers, AC and CP, offer comfortable flights aboard widebodied airplanes but at exorbitant prices. In the course of discussing options with your travel agent, you learn that another airline offers a one stop flight departing YYC at 7:00am. Better yet, a seat can be had on this flight for about half the price of the big boys. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

42. You’re in Tampa, Florida courtesy of a successful run the week before on the blackjack tables at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. You’re still feeling lucky, so why not head on over to the casinos in Biloxi, Mississippi to try and add a bit more to your bank account? You’re pleased to discover that there’s a nonstop flight offering First Class accommodations that’s heading out to GPT from TPA later this afternoon. Identify the airline and the aircraft that you’ll be flying across the gulf to Biloxi.


THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS ARE SOURCED FROM A 1982 OAG

45. Geez, what a week! Now your wife has called and asked if you could stop off in Miami on the way home to check out some porcelain tiles that she’d like to redo the kitchen with. Sigh… Yes, Dear. You've booked yourself a seat on Eastern’s single daily nonstop only to be informed upon check-in that the flight has been cancelled due to a mechanical malfunction. However, you’ve been protected aboard another airline that also flies between Baltimore and Miami. Luncheon will be served enroute. Well okay then. Things are looking up! Identify the airline and the aircraft that you’ll be flying down to Miami. If you like, try to guess what was being served for lunch as well.

46. The quest for the porcelain tiles goes awry in Miami, forcing you to rent a car and drive over to Ft. Myers where the next day you find exactly what you’re looking for, and at a great price, too. You could just drive on up to Sarasota but amongst the three airlines that offer flights between Ft. Myers and Sarasota, one of them is offering a great low fare of just $19.00 one way. It also is the only one of the three airlines that operates an aircraft built in sunny California. You have a thing for California built aircraft so you book a seat on the daily mid-afternoon departure. Identify the airline and the aircraft that you’ll be flying home to Sarasota upon.

47. North Carolina is playing Ohio State in Columbus this weekend. This is one game you don’t want to miss, especially since your daughter attends OSU and just called to say she’s won a pair of courtside tickets by virtue of having attained the Dean’s List for the second straight semester. You call Piedmont to book a seat. What’s this? Piedmont doesn’t fly that route. Whaaaat?! In fact, only one airline does and it doesn’t even operate jets. At least it’s a decently sized prop though, one with capacity for over 30 passengers. The flight makes one enroute stop. Well alright then. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

49. Three airlines operate large turboprop equipment between St. Kitts and St. Maarten. Large means aircraft that carry more than 20 passengers. Each airline operates a different type of equipment. Identify each airline and the equipment it operates.

50. You’ve just gotten a call from an old college buddy to join him and a couple of your old fraternity brothers for a ski weekend in Vermont. Dude! Can you make it? From your home in Alexandria, VA the closest airport is Washington National. A quick call to your travel agent and Boom! You’re booked on a two stop direct flight putting you into Burlington in plenty of time for lunch with Da Boyz before driving out to the slopes. Dude!!! Surprisingly, the airline you’re booked on is not US Air. Oh well. At least you’ll be flying aboard a jet. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the two enroute stops.

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6. Identify all of the American MLB baseball teams that have been represented as logojets. Team airplanes (such as the LA Dodgers 720B) and sports charters do not count. Nor do aircraft which wear the host airline’s livery with only a team logo decal applied. There are less teams and logojets than you might think. Alright then – batter up!

I will get this started with JetBlue and the Boston Red Sox and Alaska Airlines with the San Francisco Giants



Alrighty then - that's two of them. Care to add any more?

AirTran with a Milwaukee Brewers.
Emirates Airlines with the LA Dodgers.


Delta added a short time logo jet for the New York Mets playoff run in 2015.

ETA:

5. What is the largest mammal (non-cartoon) ever painted onto an airplane?

After my earlier incorrect guess and time to think about it, I believe the Orca painted on Southwest's SeaWorld Jets, maybe the largest mammal. Also I like Alaska's Salmon-Thirty-Seven livery as well, but it is only a fish

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ATL - (11): DL, Model 10

Let's go with Atlanta to Miami aboard a Delta 767-200
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Originally Posted by teddybear99
Hey there, TB99! Good to see you back again!

6. Identify all of the American MLB baseball teams that have been represented as logojets. Team airplanes (such as the LA Dodgers 720B) and sports charters do not count. Nor do aircraft which wear the host airline’s livery with only a team logo decal applied. There are less teams and logojets than you might think. Alright then – batter up!
JetBlue's Boston Red Sox A320 and Alaska Airlines' San Francisco Giants A321 have been identified so far

AirTran with a Milwaukee Brewers.
Emirates Airlines with the LA Dodgers.
Delta added a short time logo jet for the New York Mets playoff run in 2015.


Air Tran's Milwaukee Brewers airplane definitely counts. ^
Emirates A380 and Delta's 757 do not because per the questions's stated parameters, they wear the host airline’s livery with only a team logo decal applied.


We're looking for jets where the main livery is dedicated to the team in question. It's okay to wear the airlines' titles, but no other part of its natural livery.
Do a Google search on the Brewers, Red Sox and Giants planes and you'll see what I mean.

So then, we're looking for just one last MLB logojet...


5. What is the largest mammal (non-cartoon) ever painted onto an airplane?

After my earlier incorrect guess and time to think about it, I believe the Orca painted on Southwest's SeaWorld Jets, maybe the largest mammal. Also I like Alaska's Salmon-Thirty-Seven livery as well, but it is only a fish

You're headed in the right direction, Teddy, but the aircraft we're looking for is a wide bodied jet, operated by a non-U.S. airline. Remember, no cartoon art! The mammal in question is painted with a likeness similar to Alaska's Salmon Thirty Seven.


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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
ATL - (11): DL, Model 10
Let's go with Atlanta to Miami aboard a Delta 767-200
MIA is INCORRECT
767-232 is CORRECT

refer to Clue 7 in the updated status post
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