YVR Cockroach

8.

Not many 747 operators left. Tower Air perhaps?

LA2CDG

How about Peoples Express, I believe they flew some 747 at that time.

Seat 2A

8. You are back in Dallas and are now on your way to Lake Tahoe to join friends for yet another backpacking trip in the very scenic Desolation Wilderness area located in the El Dorado National Forest. Your trip from DFW to TVL will involve two different airlines each operating a nonstop flight with different equipment. Name both air carriers, the connecting airport and the different aircraft types. The first flight was not operated by American, Delta, Pan Am, National, United, Braniff, Transamerica or Trans International. The first flight was operated with a 747. The connection was made at SFO and the second flight was operated by AirCal with an MD-80.

SFO and 747 spells international for me - probably to Asia. Let's go with Northwest...

jlemon

2. Here's the Delta sched...

DL 359: Chicago O'Hare (ORD) 9:15a - 10:10a St Louis (STL) 10:35a - 11:25a Memphis (MEM) 11:57a - 12:30p Little Rock (LIT) 12:50p - 1:09p Hot Springs (HOT) 1:29p - 2:05p Shreveport (SHV) 2:25p - 3:10p Houston Hobby (HOU)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: Breakfast snack in F only ORD-STL
Equip: D9S
Note: In June of 1969 this flight began serving Houston Intercontinental (IAH) following the opening of this then-new airport

Delta actually flew into little ol' Hot Springs for many years and inherited its HOT service from Chicago & Southern (C&S) following the merger of the two air carriers. In 1953, Delta (operating as Delta C&S at this time) was operating six departures a day from Hot Springs, all with DC-3 aircraft, with daily roundtrip routings of Chicago Midway - St. Louis - Memphis - Little Rock - Hot Springs - Shreveport - Beaumont/Port Arthur - Houston Hobby, Detroit - Toledo - Fort Wayne - Indianapolis - Evansville - Paducah - Memphis - Little Rock - Hot Springs - Shreveport - Beaumont/Port Arthur - Houston Hobby, and Memphis - Little Rock - Hot Springs - Shreveport - Beaumont/Port Arthur - Houston Hobby.

By 1966, Delta was operating just two departures a day from Hot Springs, both with Convair 440 aircraft, with a daily roundtrip routing of Memphis - Little Rock - Hot Springs - Shreveport - Beaumont/Port Arthur - Houston Hobby. Delta then retired its Convair 440 recips and introduced DC-9-30 service into HOT. However, the traffic was apparently quite sparse from Hot Springs and Delta subsequently ended its jet service into HOT after a relatively short time.

jlemon

8. Alas, it wasn't Tower Air....

jlemon

8. Ah, it wasn't PEOPLExpress....

jlemon

8. Northwest Orient is correct!

And you are also correct concerning your international observation as this flight indeed continued on from San Francisco with no change of plane service to Tokyo and then on to several other destinations in Asia depending on the day of the week.

Here's the complete Northwest Orient sched....

NW 27: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 9:00a - 10:35a San Francisco (SFO) 11:55a - 3:45p+1 Tokyo Narita (NRT) - see Note below for continuing scheds
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/C/Y
Meal services: Breakfast DFW-SFO, Lunch followed by a Snack with Regal Imperial service SFO-NRT
Equip: 747
Note: On Mondays & Thursdays, NW 27 continued on to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), depart NRT 4:45p, arrive KUL 11:00p. On Wednesdays & Fridays, NW 27 continued on to Manila (MNL), depart NRT 7:00p, arrive MNL 10:35p. On Saturdays, NW 27 continued on to Taipei (TPE), depart NRT 6:05p, arrive TPE 8:55p

And here's the complete sched for the connecting flight operated by AirCal....

OC 51: Orange County John Wayne (SNA) 12:00n - 1:16p San Francisco (SFO) 1:35p - 2:19p Lake Tahoe (TVL)
Freq: Daily except Saturdays
Service class: Y
Meal service: None
Equip: M80

Here's a photo of an AirCal MD-82 on the runway at Lake Tahoe....

https://www.airliners.net/photo/AirC...-9-82/111259/L

Northwest Orient did not begin serving Dallas/Fort Worth until the early 1980's following the demise of the original Braniff International. And NW initially operated a minimal schedule out of DFW with just four flights a day, all operated with 727-200 equipment, with two nonstops to Minneapolis/St. Paul as well as two direct flights to Minneapolis/St. Paul with these latter services making two stops en route via Wichita and Omaha. Thus, Northwest Orient had replaced Braniff with service to these destinations from DFW.

Then Northwest Orient decided to add a major new service from Dallas/Fort Worth: Direct no change of plane 747 flights to Asia via San Francisco and their hub at Tokyo Narita. However, NW did not have much in the way of market penetration or name recognition in the DFW market and so it appears they had difficulty attracting traffic. And in case you're wondering whether NW was actually operating a smaller aircraft type on the DFW - SFO segment (such as a 727-200) and then making an equipment change at SFO to a 747 for the flight to Tokyo, they were not. The service was operated with a 747 all the way through. This is confirmed by looking at information found on the Northwest Airlines History Center website including the NW timetable listing for the DFW to SFO service, the flight itineraries section of this timetable with the NW 27 routing including equipment for each leg and also a NW 747 route map dated December 1985 which includes the DFW - SFO service. Plus, here's a photo of a Northwest Orient 747-251B operating the service from DFW....

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Nort...251B/2649741/L

However, Northwest Orient apparently struggled to turn a profit on this service and by the summer of 1986 it was no longer operating a daily nonstop 747 flight to SFO and then on to NRT and other Asian destinations. Instead by this time, NW was operating just three departures a day from Dallas/Fort Worth, all with 727-100 equipment with all three flights being nonstops to Minneapolis/ St. Paul.

Herb687

#9. Since DFW was involved in the adjacent question, let's assume that the brand NeW 757 didn't stop there on the way to LAX. Maybe FLL-PHX-LAX?

jlemon

9. A great guess! And definitely a much more direct routing.

However, the stop was not made in Phoenix. But it was made quite a bit to the east of Arizona.

Please guess again, sir!

Herb687

Next guess: Tampa.

jrl767

I’m going to offer the obvious NW hub of Detroit/DTW … even though I actually like Herb687’s guess

jlemon

9. Now that's what I call a direct routing....and Tampa is correct!

Here's the complete Northwest Orient sched....

NW 1: Fort Lauderdale (FLL) 7:00a - 7:50a Tampa (TPA) 8:30a - 10:45a Los Angeles (LAX) 12:35p - 5:05p+1 Tokyo Narita (NRT) with an equipment change at LAX (see Note below for continuing scheds from NRT)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y FLL-LAX, F/C/Y LAX-NRT and beyond
Meal services: Breakfast TPA-LAX, Lunch followed by a Snack with Regal Imperial service LAX-NRT
Equip: 757-251 FLL-LAX, 747-251B LAX-NRT and beyond
Note: On Mondays, Wednesdays and Sundays, NW 1 continued on to Taipei (TPE), depart NRT 6:05p, arrive TPE 8:55p. On Thursdays and Saturdays, NW 1 continued on to Osaka (OSA) and Taipei (TPE), depart NRT 6:05p, arrive OSA 7:10p (no local traffic NRT-OSA), depart OSA 7:55p, arrive TPE 9:55p. On Fridays, NW 1 continued on to Taipei (TPE), depart NRT 7:10p, arrive TPE 10:00p

Here's a photo of a Northwest Orient Boeing 757-251 (named the "City of Boston") at LAX in 1985....

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Nort...7-251/313077/L

jlemon

Now that's what I call an indirect routing.....

jlemon

Just two to go here.....and I have a feeling that Seat 2A is just about ready to go with a brand new set of superb new quiz questions when we conclude my set.

jrl767

I think I’m going to try to come up with some questions involving the Boeing Model 377 Stratocruiser

we drove past this KC-97L (forerunner of the Strat) on display at Medford OR a couple hours ago