Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
May 24, 2023, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
And yet another historical note in the annals of aviation....
Dassault Aviation is this month observing the 60th anniversary concerning the advent of its first business jet, the Mystere 20 which was later renamed the Falcon 20. And, of course, there is an airline connection here.....
At least one small U.S. based air carrier operated the Falcon 20 in scheduled passenger service.
Thus, a Bonus Question: Name that air carrier.
It wasn't Golden West or Ultimate Air Shuttle and neither of the airports served by the Falcon 20 was located in California. Hints: the air carrier in question operated four roundtrip flights with the Falcon 20 everyweekday between just two U.S. airports. One of these airports was served by a number of airlines with mainline jets but the other airport was only served by the small air carrier we are looking for. And this service was being operated in 2001 quite a bit to the east of California. This passenger service wasn't flown between EWR and BKL or between MMU and DTW nor was it operated by a Falcon 20 freight operator. More hints: the service was operated between airports located in two major metropolitan areas, one of which is in the vicinity of New York City. And the name of the air carrier in question closely resembles the name of a large scheduled passenger airline that is currently operating mainline jet equipment in Asia.
Dassault Aviation is this month observing the 60th anniversary concerning the advent of its first business jet, the Mystere 20 which was later renamed the Falcon 20. And, of course, there is an airline connection here.....
At least one small U.S. based air carrier operated the Falcon 20 in scheduled passenger service.
Thus, a Bonus Question: Name that air carrier.
It wasn't Golden West or Ultimate Air Shuttle and neither of the airports served by the Falcon 20 was located in California. Hints: the air carrier in question operated four roundtrip flights with the Falcon 20 everyweekday between just two U.S. airports. One of these airports was served by a number of airlines with mainline jets but the other airport was only served by the small air carrier we are looking for. And this service was being operated in 2001 quite a bit to the east of California. This passenger service wasn't flown between EWR and BKL or between MMU and DTW nor was it operated by a Falcon 20 freight operator. More hints: the service was operated between airports located in two major metropolitan areas, one of which is in the vicinity of New York City. And the name of the air carrier in question closely resembles the name of a large scheduled passenger airline that is currently operating mainline jet equipment in Asia.
May 24, 2023, 12:19 pm
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Please guess again, sir!
May 24, 2023, 1:26 pm
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Bonus: Ah, it wasn't Air New England and the airports served by the Falcon 20 flights in question weren't White Plains Westchester County or Bedford Hanscom Field. The nonstop service was also a longer flight, distance-wise, than between HPN and BED. And the name of the air carrier we are looking is vastly more similar to the name of the Asian airline I referred to in my hint.
Please guess again, sir!
Please guess again, sir!
Continuing to grasp at straws until every hard surface runway > 5000' east of the Mississippi has been tried: FRG-MDW?
May 24, 2023, 1:35 pm
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However, you are making progress here as Chicago Midway was indeed served by these Falcon 20 flights.
May 25, 2023, 12:10 am
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30. (1986) Per your tastes at least, the world’s greatest party is the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, otherwise known as Jazz Fest. From your home in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania you’ve got several air travel options. Over the years, you’ve employed most of them including those from Allegheny and TWA. This year, you’re looking forward to a new routing and a different airline all the way through from MDT to MSY. You’ll fly nonstop to the connection point, then on to New Orleans via a one-stop flight. Both flights will be operated by the same aircraft type. Identify the airline, the complete routing and the aircraft type.
Airline: Piedmont
Connection point: Charlotte
Airplane: 727-200
Piedmont would seem a most reasonable choice but alas, rather surprisingly, Piedmont, didn't fly to Harrisburg - at least not in 1986.
So then - The search continues - different airline, route and aircraft. You got this!
Airline: Piedmont
Connection point: Charlotte
Airplane: 727-200
Piedmont would seem a most reasonable choice but alas, rather surprisingly, Piedmont, didn't fly to Harrisburg - at least not in 1986.
So then - The search continues - different airline, route and aircraft. You got this!
May 25, 2023, 12:24 am
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25. (1974) From one island paradise to another - This retirement gig is starting to look pretty good! You’ll depart Honolulu mid-morning aboard a one stop flight to your connection point where you’ll then board a nonstop to your second connection point. Following a three hour layover during which you’ll enjoy lunch with an old school chum, you’ll fly nonstop to Antigua. All flights will be aboard the same airline, but your final flight to Antigua will be on a different aircraft type than your first two flights. Identify the airline, the routing and the two aircraft types.
As was discussed here many moons ago by one of our former regular participants (whom we have not heard from in quite some time and we hope he's OK), once upon a time British Airways operated a hub at New York Kennedy Airport. It wasn't a big hub but connections at JFK were indeed possible. And BA at one point also operated an interesting multistop flight with the iconic Vickers VC-10 between Australia and the UK via JFK with this flight also stopping in Honolulu. So I will guess the first flight we are looking for here was operated by BA with a VC-10 from HNL to JFK via a stop in Los Angeles. This means our second flight will also be operated with a VC-10 and I'll guess this would have been a nonstop BA service from JFK to Nassau. And for our third flight from Nassau nonstop to Antigua, let's board a BA 707.
You're 87% on the right track here. Just switch out Nassau for the correct second connection point and Bob's your uncle!
As was discussed here many moons ago by one of our former regular participants (whom we have not heard from in quite some time and we hope he's OK), once upon a time British Airways operated a hub at New York Kennedy Airport. It wasn't a big hub but connections at JFK were indeed possible. And BA at one point also operated an interesting multistop flight with the iconic Vickers VC-10 between Australia and the UK via JFK with this flight also stopping in Honolulu. So I will guess the first flight we are looking for here was operated by BA with a VC-10 from HNL to JFK via a stop in Los Angeles. This means our second flight will also be operated with a VC-10 and I'll guess this would have been a nonstop BA service from JFK to Nassau. And for our third flight from Nassau nonstop to Antigua, let's board a BA 707.
You're 87% on the right track here. Just switch out Nassau for the correct second connection point and Bob's your uncle!
May 25, 2023, 12:29 am
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22. (1974) Your company has won a bid to install air conditioning in an office building being built in Culiacan, Mexico. From your headquarters in Nashville, Tennessee – this is going to involve a long day of flying. First, you’ll board a one-stop flight to Memphis. Next you’ll board a five stopper from Memphis to Mexico City. Finally, you’ll board a one stopper from Mexico City to Culiacan. Three airlines will be flown, all of them operating the same type and variant of aircraft. Identify each of the airlines, all of the enroute stops and the aircraft type common to each flight.
I am fairly confident of the equipment and the airlines, so the challenge is going to be the seven intermediate stops along the itinerary. This was a DC-9-10 journey; the three airlines of record were Southern, Texas International, and Aeronaves de Mexico
Very Good! Everything is correct except Mazatlan. Replace that with the correct stop and todo esta bien!
Southern SO 411 Nashville (BNA) 750a-820a S Jackson (MKL) 830a-855a Memphis (MEM) DC-9-10 Daily
Texas International TT 997 Memphis (MEM) 1115a-1149a Little Rock (LIT) 1210p-105p S Dallas (DAL) 130p-219p Houston (IAH) 240p-322p Corpus Christi (CRP) 337p-407p McAllen (MFE) 430p-443p S Mexico City (MEX) DC-9-10 Daily
Aeromexico AM 104 Mexico City (MEX) 650p-745p S _______________ (XXX) 800p-805p S Culiacan (CUL) DC-9-10 Daily
How about Puerto Vallarta/PVR
Nope. And that means it must be ___________________
I am fairly confident of the equipment and the airlines, so the challenge is going to be the seven intermediate stops along the itinerary. This was a DC-9-10 journey; the three airlines of record were Southern, Texas International, and Aeronaves de Mexico
- SO: BNA-Jackson/MKL-MEM
- TI: MEM-Little Rock/LIT-Dallas/DFW-Houston/IAH-Corpus Christi/CRP-McAllen/MFE-MEX
- AM: MEX-Mazatlan/MZT-CUL
Very Good! Everything is correct except Mazatlan. Replace that with the correct stop and todo esta bien!
Southern SO 411 Nashville (BNA) 750a-820a S Jackson (MKL) 830a-855a Memphis (MEM) DC-9-10 Daily
Texas International TT 997 Memphis (MEM) 1115a-1149a Little Rock (LIT) 1210p-105p S Dallas (DAL) 130p-219p Houston (IAH) 240p-322p Corpus Christi (CRP) 337p-407p McAllen (MFE) 430p-443p S Mexico City (MEX) DC-9-10 Daily
Aeromexico AM 104 Mexico City (MEX) 650p-745p S _______________ (XXX) 800p-805p S Culiacan (CUL) DC-9-10 Daily
How about Puerto Vallarta/PVR
Nope. And that means it must be ___________________
May 25, 2023, 12:50 am
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22- Guadalajara/GDL or Durango/DGO or León/BJX … all are on a more-or-less direct MEX-CUL route
I am well aware that our esteemed Quiz Director frowns on multi-guessing, so I’ll offer BJX (or whatever the IATA designator for the San Carlos airport that serves León was in 1974)
I am well aware that our esteemed Quiz Director frowns on multi-guessing, so I’ll offer BJX (or whatever the IATA designator for the San Carlos airport that serves León was in 1974)
May 25, 2023, 2:37 am
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22- Guadalajara/GDL or Durango/DGO or León/BJX … all are on a more-or-less direct MEX-CUL route
I am well aware that our esteemed Quiz Director frowns on multi-guessing, so I’ll offer BJX (or whatever the IATA designator for the San Carlos airport that serves León was in 1974)
Whaaaat? You been drinkin', J? BJX? What tha - I can tell you I have definitely been drinking and I don't have a clue about BJX. Try a more established large Mexican city - one with a well known tequila factory up in the hills above it (I know because I've done been there - back in '1974!) and this question will then be solved! G'wan now! Git 'em
Round two:
- STL-MSP Braniff 727-200
- MSP-JFK Northwest 747
- JFK-YUL Eastern L10
Like I said to moondog - I'm employing a slight twist with regard to my responses to your responses on this quiz - I don't want to make it too easy for you rocket scientists (or Boeing Engineers as the case may be) One of these aircraft and its related city pair is 100% correct! Another aircraft since added as part of round 2 is also correct. However, one connection airport is not correct, and thus the airline and aircraft associated with that airline selected to serve it is also incorrect. In my mind that airport is too far north to work as a viable connection per the joint fare tariffs of the day. (Oh yes, I used to peruse the monthly Joint Fare Tariffs publication as well back in the day!)
In any event, so armed with these additional clues, I see success just around the corner
May 25, 2023, 11:35 am
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25. (1974) From one island paradise to another - This retirement gig is starting to look pretty good! You’ll depart Honolulu mid-morning aboard a one stop flight to your connection point where you’ll then board a nonstop to your second connection point. Following a three hour layover during which you’ll enjoy lunch with an old school chum, you’ll fly nonstop to Antigua. All flights will be aboard the same airline, but your final flight to Antigua will be on a different aircraft type than your first two flights. Identify the airline, the routing and the two aircraft types.
As was discussed here many moons ago by one of our former regular participants (whom we have not heard from in quite some time and we hope he's OK), once upon a time British Airways operated a hub at New York Kennedy Airport. It wasn't a big hub but connections at JFK were indeed possible. And BA at one point also operated an interesting multistop flight with the iconic Vickers VC-10 between Australia and the UK via JFK with this flight also stopping in Honolulu. So I will guess the first flight we are looking for here was operated by BA with a VC-10 from HNL to JFK via a stop in Los Angeles. This means our second flight will also be operated with a VC-10 and I'll guess this would have been a nonstop BA service from JFK to Nassau. And for our third flight from Nassau nonstop to Antigua, let's board a BA 707.
You're 87% on the right track here. Just switch out Nassau for the correct second connection point and Bob's your uncle!
I'll amend my guess for the location of the second connection made from a BA VC10 to a BA 707: Bermuda.
Correct! Here's the itinerary -
BOAC BA 590 Honolulu (HNL) 1020a-630p L Los Angeles (LAX) 1155p-800a S New York (JFK) VC-10 X13
BOAC BA 490 New York (JFK) 940a-1140a L Bermuda (BDA) VC-10 Daily
BOAC BA 677 Bermuda (BDA) 300p-520p Antigua (ANU) 707-436 Mo only
As was discussed here many moons ago by one of our former regular participants (whom we have not heard from in quite some time and we hope he's OK), once upon a time British Airways operated a hub at New York Kennedy Airport. It wasn't a big hub but connections at JFK were indeed possible. And BA at one point also operated an interesting multistop flight with the iconic Vickers VC-10 between Australia and the UK via JFK with this flight also stopping in Honolulu. So I will guess the first flight we are looking for here was operated by BA with a VC-10 from HNL to JFK via a stop in Los Angeles. This means our second flight will also be operated with a VC-10 and I'll guess this would have been a nonstop BA service from JFK to Nassau. And for our third flight from Nassau nonstop to Antigua, let's board a BA 707.
You're 87% on the right track here. Just switch out Nassau for the correct second connection point and Bob's your uncle!
I'll amend my guess for the location of the second connection made from a BA VC10 to a BA 707: Bermuda.
Correct! Here's the itinerary -
BOAC BA 590 Honolulu (HNL) 1020a-630p L Los Angeles (LAX) 1155p-800a S New York (JFK) VC-10 X13
BOAC BA 490 New York (JFK) 940a-1140a L Bermuda (BDA) VC-10 Daily
BOAC BA 677 Bermuda (BDA) 300p-520p Antigua (ANU) 707-436 Mo only
May 25, 2023, 12:58 pm
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22. (1974) Your company has won a bid to install air conditioning in an office building being built in Culiacan, Mexico. From your headquarters in Nashville, Tennessee – this is going to involve a long day of flying. First, you’ll board a one-stop flight to Memphis. Next you’ll board a five stopper from Memphis to Mexico City. Finally, you’ll board a one stopper from Mexico City to Culiacan. Three airlines will be flown, all of them operating the same type and variant of aircraft. Identify each of the airlines, all of the enroute stops and the aircraft type common to each flight.
I am fairly confident of the equipment and the airlines, so the challenge is going to be the seven intermediate stops along the itinerary. This was a DC-9-10 journey; the three airlines of record were Southern, Texas International, and Aeronaves de Mexico
Very Good! Everything is correct except Puerto Vallarta. Replace that with the correct stop and todo esta bien!
Southern SO 411 Nashville (BNA) 750a-820a S Jackson (MKL) 830a-855a Memphis (MEM) DC-9-10 Daily
Texas International TT 997 Memphis (MEM) 1115a-1149a Little Rock (LIT) 1210p-105p S Dallas (DAL) 130p-219p Houston (IAH) 240p-322p Corpus Christi (CRP) 337p-407p McAllen (MFE) 430p-443p S Mexico City (MEX) DC-9-10 Daily
Aeromexico AM 104 Mexico City (MEX) 650p-745p S _______________ (XXX) 800p-805p S Culiacan (CUL) DC-9-10 Daily
I will amend my guess for the intermediate stop on MEX-CUL to Durango/DGO
It's not DGO. So close to the complete answer and yet you're missing a glaringly large city/stop. Te missing stop must be ___________________
I am fairly confident of the equipment and the airlines, so the challenge is going to be the seven intermediate stops along the itinerary. This was a DC-9-10 journey; the three airlines of record were Southern, Texas International, and Aeronaves de Mexico
- SO: BNA-Jackson/MKL-MEM
- TI: MEM-Little Rock/LIT-Dallas/DFW-Houston/IAH-Corpus Christi/CRP-McAllen/MFE-MEX
- AM: MEX-Puerto Vallarta/PVR-CUL
Very Good! Everything is correct except Puerto Vallarta. Replace that with the correct stop and todo esta bien!
Southern SO 411 Nashville (BNA) 750a-820a S Jackson (MKL) 830a-855a Memphis (MEM) DC-9-10 Daily
Texas International TT 997 Memphis (MEM) 1115a-1149a Little Rock (LIT) 1210p-105p S Dallas (DAL) 130p-219p Houston (IAH) 240p-322p Corpus Christi (CRP) 337p-407p McAllen (MFE) 430p-443p S Mexico City (MEX) DC-9-10 Daily
Aeromexico AM 104 Mexico City (MEX) 650p-745p S _______________ (XXX) 800p-805p S Culiacan (CUL) DC-9-10 Daily
I will amend my guess for the intermediate stop on MEX-CUL to Durango/DGO
It's not DGO. So close to the complete answer and yet you're missing a glaringly large city/stop. Te missing stop must be ___________________