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Old Jan 26, 20, 4:37 pm
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I was looking up which Fokkers I've flown and it would appear to be most of them. F100s with US, KL and Air Liberté, F70 with KL and, F28s with US, PI, CP and QX, F50s with Sky Aviation and Air Iceland. F27 only US Express (NE US franchise carrier of the '90) and also the very first time was Rome - probably FCO but could have been CIA? to PSA and back in maybe very late '60s or before 1972. Not even sure which airline this would have been (I was good with airline names and aircraft types as a young kid but this one air of flights evades me).
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Old Jan 26, 20, 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
I believe the F.28 originally looked at a proposal by Bristol Siddeley, which in the end was never built, and Rolls-Royce re-engineered the Spey in a cut-down version to suit the F.28 instead, called the Spey Junior. Shortly after this Rolls-Royce absorbed Bristol Siddeley anyway.

The merged company carried of for quite a long time, under the overall Rolls banner, with separate divisions, manufacturing plants, and names for the various engine families. Rolls jets were named after UK rivers, such as the Spey or Trent, meant to imply the smooth flow of a jet. B-S continued the Bristol tradition of classical names, the Proteus (Bristol Britannia) and Olympus (Concorde) came from the different design teams and assembly plant, located just across the main A38 road from the Bristol aircraft assembly plants.
Bonus #2: Well, hello WHBM! I was hoping you might chime in here.....and with the information I have on hand concerning this one, you are absolutely spot on, of course!
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43. Now it's 1986 and you are in Madison, Wisconsin. Your old sailing buddy has his catamaran moored near La Jolla and needs your help to sail up to Santa Barbara. So that means flying to San Diego. You've found a daily direct flight with an excellent schedule departing MSN in the mid morning hours which will get you into SAN by mid afternoon with this service making two stops en route. Identify the airline, both stops and the equipment. It wasn't Northwest or Ozark, the aircraft wasn't a B727-100 or DC9-30 and stops were not made a RST, MSP, CID or STL
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43. It was Frontier. Here's the sched.....

FL 593: Madison (MSN) 9:30a - 9:55a Milwaukee (MKE) 10:20a - 11:45a Denver (DEN) 12:30p - 1:45p San Diego (SAN)
Freq: Daily
Service class: S
Meal service: Lunch DEN-SAN
Equip: B737-200

And that concludes my most recent set of quiz items. Many thanks to everyone who participated or just looked in on us here!

I know our esteemed friend Seat 2A has a new set of quiz questions ready to be submitted forthwith so I shall now turn the OTAQ&D helm over to him....that is, as soon as his internet difficulties are rectified up there in the frozen wilds of Alaska.

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Old Jan 27, 20, 6:09 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
with the information I have on hand concerning this one …
Bit more on this one. Both Bristol and Armstrong Siddeley had been pre-war UK aircraft builders, who also developed and built their own engines - De Havilland did the same. The one significant independent engine manufacturer was, of course, Rolls-Royce. They were all involved in the early development of jets. In the late 1950s the UK government was keen for various high-tech companies to merge up, and as, through military aircraft and support of civil programmes, they were in a position of influence, it happened. Both Bristol and Armstrong Siddeley shed their engine plants to a new combine, Bristol Siddeley, owned 50% by each. They didn't just do aircraft engines, but large diesels for railways and electric power plants as well. The Bristol plant then concentrated on aircraft, and the several former A-S plants around Birmingham did the rest. A-S aircraft side then merged up with Hawker, builder of a range of military types, which is where Hawker Siddeley come into it, who then took over De Havilland as well when Geoffrey De Havilland finally retired and sold out. Bristol, meantime, merged up their mainstream aircraft side into BAC, with BAC and Hawker Siddeley being the two, competing, mainstream UK aircraft manufacturers, but each having a half-share in Bristol Siddeley, an awkward arrangement resolved when they finally agreed to sell it to Rolls-Royce.

There was again some government involvement in this last bit, as there were discussions taking place between B-S and Pratt & Whitney. The last thing the UK government wanted was a major P&W plant in Britain overwhelming Rolls-Royce, who were pulling ahead of B-S by this time, but the latter had substantial high-tech skills. Look how it was their team who developed the Concorde engine, in conjunction with Turbomeca in France. B-S had actually done a lot of subcontract work for Turbomeca, and other foreign engine developers, at that time. It had a huge plant and design team to keep occupied.

Personal bit, sister lived in the Bristol suburb about a mile away from the B-S plant. I would visit in the late 1960s-70s, and one of the features was that periodically they would engine test in the late evening, presumably Concorde Olympus, Harrier Pegasus, and other engines, plus I think they became the major test bed for other Rolls-Royce production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristo...y#Aero_engines . Huge clouds of steam up into the air accompanied by much roaring, and after about 10 minutes the water supply pressure to the town around would fall right away. Local story was they were not allowed to do these tests except late evening because of the impact on water supply during the day. The plant is still there (in fact it was demolished and rebuilt with all modern tools etc) and still an integral part of Rolls-Royce.

Bonus Question 1 : Armstrong Siddeley produced a substantial late 1930s large (for its time) airliner. What was it ?

Bonus Question 2 : Bristol produced an even larger airliner in the late 1940s, larger than the Britannia. What was that ?

Bonus Question 3 : B-S used Classical engine names, R-R used river names. Rolls-Royce also had internal designations beginning RB, of which the best known is the RB 2-11 on various widebodies, the predecessor of the current Trent. R is fairly apparent, but what does the B stand for ?

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Old Jan 27, 20, 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
Bonus Question 2 : Bristol produced an even larger airliner in the late 1940s, larger than the Britannia. What was that ?
this was the Brabazon -- which had a wingspan exceeding that of the 747-8; only the prototype was ever built
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Bonus Question 1 : Armstrong Siddeley produced a substantial late 1930s large (for its time) airliner. What was it ?
Was this the AW.27 Ensign?
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Wow! Well that was quite a set! Many thanks to jlemon for the time and effort he put into researching, formulating and then responding to the many responses to all those questions. Well done, JL! ^^ You're a tough act to follow! Indeed, after all the swinging and missing on JL's excellent questions, I think you're likely to find mine considerably easier. And with that, let's continue with a few more questions, starting with WHBM's most recent submission of bonus questions. As with jlemon, I am going to request that you please limit your response to no more than two questions per day so that all may participate. And as always, we are looking for complete answers here. Thanks!


WHBM Bonus Question 1 : Armstrong Siddeley produced a substantial late 1930s large (for its time) airliner. What was it ?
A N S W E R E D

WHBM Bonus Question 2 : Bristol produced an even larger airliner in the late 1940s, larger than the Britannia. What was that ?
A N S W E R E D

WHBM Bonus Question 3 : B-S used Classical engine names, R-R used river names. Rolls-Royce also had internal designations beginning RB, of which the best known is the RB 2-11 on various widebodies, the predecessor of the current Trent. R is fairly apparent, but what does the B stand for ?
A N S W E R E D



1. (2001) Trade talks between Canada and the U.S. have been progressing nicely. In particular you’re pleased to have worked out a deal that will make California wines a lot more affordable to thirsty Canadian citizens. Now all that’s left is to ink the deal which will require your presence in Santa Barbara. So, you’ll fly from Ottawa to Los Angeles, make a quick stop at the consulate and then drive up the coast to Santa Barbara. Best of all, you’ll utilize the new one-stop direct flight between Ottawa and LAX. Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft type please.
A N S W E R E D

2 . (1988) You’ve recently relocated to a new job in Ft. Myers, Florida and you now have your first travel assignment – a trip to San Diego. A check of your pocket flight guide reveals lots of connection possibilities, but what’s this? There’s a single direct flight that will put you into San Diego in perfect time for a late dinner with colleagues flying in from the Pacific Northwest. The flight makes three stops enroute, but hey – it sure beats connecting in Atlanta or Dallas. Name the airline, aircraft and the three enroute stops.

3. (1959) You live and work in Dallas, Texas. Imagine your surprise when you’re informed that you’ll need to travel to Paris next Monday. Ooo-la-la! No, no, not that Paris! We’re talking Paris, Texas. Oh. Well then, you quickly make a call to the only airline serving Paris from Dallas and book a seat on the morning departure. Name the airline and the equipment you’ll be flying upon.
A N S W E R E D

4. (1975) A good business opportunity has arisen in San Francisco, one that the whole world must be aware of based upon the fact that you can’t find a seat on any of the nonstop flights between Salt Lake and any of the Bay Area airports. But wait! Three seats are still available on a four stop direct flight into SFO that even includes a snack served enroute. Oh Boy! Identify the airline, the four enroute stops in order and of course the aircraft type.

5. (1995) You’re flying from Minneapolis to Phoenix aboard the only airline that utilizes an all economy class cabin. All the other airlines serving the MSP-PHX route offer nonstop only flights. The airline you’re on is also the only one offering one-stop direct service. Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft type.
The airline is not Sun Country and the aircraft is not a 727-200

6. (1965) Your 20th high school reunion is coming up and you’ve decided to attend. The problem is, you went to school in Minneapolis and these days you live and work in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Hopefully your travel agent can find a way to get you up north quickly and easily. She calls back to inform you that rather surprisingly there’s a four stop direct flight departing CHA each morning that’ll get you into MSP in the early afternoon. No First Class is offered, but you decide to book anyway. Identify the airline, the four intermediate stops and of course, the aircraft type.

7. (MISC) Which airline in Europe was the first to operate the 737-200?

8. (1965) Your Aunt Mildred is heading off to Mexico for a week and needs someone to housesit and look after her cats. She’ll even pay for your roundtrip airfare from your home in St. Louis to her home in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Well alrighty then! We’ve got a deal! It just so happens there’s one flight a day between STL and FSD and it makes three enroute stops. Name the airline, the aircraft and the three enroute stops.

9. (1995) In a perusal of the OAG preparatory to your flight from Phoenix to Las Vegas, you are surprised to find that only one airline operates flights with aircraft built in neighboring California. Identify that airline and the aircraft type it operates on the PHX-LAS route.

10 . (1959) Back in 1959, two airlines operated nonstop flights from Seattle to Fairbanks. Unfortunately for you, they’re all sold out on the weekend you need to travel. Thankfully, there are still three seats left on a three-stopper departing Sunday morning. It’ll take 8:45 to get to Fairbanks, but at least you won’t be faced with any long layovers. Name the airline, the three enroute stops in order and the aircraft type involved.

11 . (1988) You’ve just received an invitation for your granddaughter’s wedding, to be held in San Antonio, Texas late this spring. Normally you’d drive because you don’t like to fly – in fact it’s been 20 years since you last flew – but you’re getting up there in years and the drive to south Texas is a bit farther than you’d like these days. You call Continental airlines – the one you flew last time from Wichita to Texas – and are disappointed to hear that Continental no longer offers a direct flight to San Antonio. A second call to a local travel agent does however reveal a single daily direct flight out of Wichita that makes one enroute stop. You’ll take one seat, please. Identify the usual triumvirate – airline, aircraft and enroute stop.

12. (2001) Summer is not the best time to be visiting the Dominican Republic, but if you want a chance at winning the contract to supply air-conditioning for a new 310 room resort outside of Santo Domingo, then off you go. Logging in on your new laptop, you access aa.com only to discover that all of AA’s flights into SDQ are sold out in both First Class and Coach. What the – alright then, who else flies down there? I mean, outside of AA, there aren’t a lot of options these days. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover another airline operating a single daily nonstop flight between Boston and Santo Domingo. Even American has never flown nonstop on this route. You quickly book a First Class seat. Identify the airline and the aircraft type operated here.

13. (1975) Four airlines offer 747 service into Las Vegas. Each airline offers a single flight, each from a different city. Identify each airline and the city its 747 flies to Las Vegas from.

14. (1975) Burbank, CA is well served by airlines operating smaller aircraft powered by just two or three engines. One airline however still serves Burbank exclusively with a four engine aircraft. Identify the airline, the aircraft type and the three airports it flies into Burbank from.

15 . (1988) In mid-1988, only two airlines were operating Lockheed’s L-1011 into Detroit’s Wayne County International Airport. Identify each airline and the city its L-1011 served Detroit from

16. (2001) It’s been an unusually hot summer in Dallas, so when business calls in the form of a weekend conference in Freeport, Bahamas, you couldn’t be happier. In fact, you’re positively ecstatic upon learning you won’t have to make a connection because there’s a one-stop direct flight between DFW and FPO. You quickly book yourself a seat in the forward cabin and start packing your bag. Identify the airline, the aircraft and the enroute stop.

17 . (1988) Your daughter’s just completed her junior year at the University of Illinois. You all lived in nearby Joliet when she started school, but since then you’ve moved to Coral Gables, Florida. A call to your travel agent reveals a pleasant surprise – there’s a one stop direct flight from Champaign to nearby Miami International. Book it, Danno! Identify the airline, aircraft and the single intermediate stop.

18 . (1959) Your little sister is finally getting married and you can’t wait to go to the wedding. Problem is, she’s getting married in San Francisco and you live outside of St. Louis, MO. This is gonna be an expensive trip. And a long one. You’ll probably have a couple of stops enroute. Imagine then your surprise when you discover an inexpensive flight operating nonstop between St. Louis and Oakland. It leaves St. Louis at 9:00pm, arriving Oakland at 1:25am so you’ll have to overnight at OAK and then catch the ferry across to San Francisco the next day. Identify the airline and aircraft operating this flight.

19. (1995) It used to be if you wanted to fly between Orange County and Sacramento, you’d call Air California. Now Air Cal is no more and a different airline serves the SNA-SMF route uniquely with five mostly daily flights. Identify that airline and the aircraft type it utilizes on all flights.

20. (MISC) The original Denver based Frontier Airlines filed for bankruptcy in 1986. The “new” Frontier Airlines – still Denver based – emerged in 1994 and commenced service from Denver to four cities for starters. Identify those four cities.

21. (1965) Per schedulespublished in my 1965 North American OAG, I have identified three cities on the North American continent that are served by the Bristol Britannia turboprop. Three different airlines are involved. Identify each city, the airline that serves it with the Britannia and the sole route served for each city as reflected in the North American OAG.
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22 . (1979) Your flight from Frankfurt to Washington IAD was delayed, causing you to miss your nonstop connecting flight to Las Vegas. Unfortunately, there are no more nonstops to Las Vegas out of Dulles this evening, but there is an online (same airline all the way through) connection featuring a single class aircraft connecting to a mixed configuration aircraft. Identify the airline, aircraft and the connecting city.

23. (1995) Your Miami based company is hosting a weekend retreat next month for its best sales executives up the coast in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Hmm… getting there is gonna involve at least one connection, maybe two. Imagine then your surprise and delight to discover a four stop milk run. In 1995, no less – just like the good old days! You quickly book yourself a seat and select a window ahead of the wing. Name the airline, all of the enroute stops in order and the aircraft type.

24 . (1988) In the years since deregulation, a lot of airlines have offered nonstop service from Long Island’s Macarthur Airport to Florida. By mid-1988 however, only one airline still provides nonstop service from Florida into ISP. Identify the airline and the two Floridian cities served.

25. (2001) Back in the 1970s passengers traveling between San Francisco and Vancouver could experience international caliber service via Qantas’s once weekly 747 flight. In 2001 another carrier is exercising 5th Freedom rights on the SFO-YVR route. Identify the airline and the aircraft type it operates on this thrice weekly service.
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26. (MISC) What airline operates Europe’s largest fleet of Embraer jets? 27. (1965) It’s early 1965 and you’re poised to take off aboard the longest and fastest propeller driven aircraft flying out of Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. Identify the airline and aircraft type that you are flying upon.

28. (1995) After a wonderful week of sun and fun sailing around the eastern Bahamas, you’ve docked at Freeport and now need to continue on by air to the Cayman Islands where a three day scuba charter awaits. There are of course no nonstop flights from Freeport to Grand Cayman but you have found a nicely timed connection that includes a flight aboard a turboprop connecting to a widebodied aircraft into Grand Cayman1. Identify the two airlines involved, the equipment each operates and the connection city.

29 . (1959) Flying between Hong Kong and Mexico City has always been quite an arduous journey, but by early 1959 things are definitely looking up. There’s now a direct two stop through flight, albeit with a change of aircraft enroute at the second stop. Identify the airline, the two enroute stops and the aircraft types involved.

30. (2001) If you’re looking for a daily nonstop flight between Vancouver and Las Vegas, there’s only one airline to call. Identify the airline and aircraft type offering daily YVR-LAS service.

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Old Jan 28, 20, 7:07 am
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Bonus 1 : Was this the AW.27 Ensign?
Yep, the Armstrong Whitworth Ensign, a big, bluff-looking aircraft, was more than a bit of a Boondoggle, ordered in 1934, they spasmodically trickled in to Imperial Airways service only at the end of 1938, were grossly unreliable, all sent back to A-W, got redelivered just weeks before the start of WW2, whereupon they were reassigned to war work, and that was the last airline service they ever did.

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Old Jan 28, 20, 7:18 am
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Bonus 2 : this was the Brabazon -- which had a wingspan exceeding that of the 747-8; only the prototype was ever built
Indeed, the Brabazon, named after the Minister of Aviation of the era who commissioned the project, was a huge aircraft, as with just about every other UK airliner design of the time notably underpowered. Built immediately postwar, it did plenty of test flights but was felt there was no market for it. The design team and production facility put together specially for it moved on to the Bristol Britannia. This clip features its chief test pilot, Bill Pegg, who bcame something of a national celebrity.

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25. (2001) Back in the 1970s passengers traveling between San Francisco and Vancouver could experience international caliber service via Qantas’s once weekly 747 flight. In 2001 another carrier is exercising 5th Freedom rights on the SFO-YVR route. Identify the airline and the aircraft type it operates on this thrice weekly service.
I thought it was still QF but operating a 747-400 on this route (SYD-SFO-YVR) as the 2nd kick at service to Canada after CP was acquired by AC. CX had long-dropped its 747-200 service (HKG-YVR-SFO) by this time..

An interesting bonus set of questions is how Australia-Canada service by airlines of these two countries were operated from mid-'90s to early '00s.
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Old Jan 28, 20, 11:12 am
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21. (1965) Per schedulespublished in my 1965 North American OAG, I have identified three cities on the North American continent that are served by the Bristol Britannia turboprop. Three different airlines are involved. Identify each city, the airline that serves it with the Britannia and the sole route served for each city as reflected in the North American OAG.
21- I have to believe that the key phrase here is “on the continent” ... let’s start with these:
  1. Vancouver BC (YVR), Canadian Pacific from Honolulu (HNL)
  2. New York (JFK), BOAC from Bermuda (BDA)
  3. Mexico City (MEX), Cubana from Havana (HAV)
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Old Jan 28, 20, 11:19 am
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Bonus Question 3 : B-S used Classical engine names, R-R used river names. Rolls-Royce also had internal designations beginning RB, of which the best known is the RB 2-11 on various widebodies, the predecessor of the current Trent. R is fairly apparent, but what does the B stand for ?
Hmmmm.....isn't there a fairly small town in the UK just north of Manchester by the name of Barnoldswick? And perhaps there's a Rolls-Royce engine plant located there?
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Old Jan 28, 20, 11:31 am
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1. (2001) Trade talks between Canada and the U.S. have been progressing nicely. In particular you’re pleased to have worked out a deal that will make California wines a lot more affordable to thirsty Canadian citizens. Now all that’s left is to ink the deal which will require your presence in Santa Barbara. So, you’ll fly from Ottawa to Los Angeles, make a quick stop at the consulate and then drive up the coast to Santa Barbara. Best of all, you’ll utilize the new one-stop direct flight between Ottawa and LAX. Identify the airline, the enroute stop and the aircraft type please.

3. (1959) You live and work in Dallas, Texas. Imagine your surprise when you’re informed that you’ll need to travel to Paris next Monday. Ooo-la-la! No, no, not that Paris! We’re talking Paris, Texas. Oh. Well then, you quickly make a call to the only airline serving Paris from Dallas and book a seat on the morning departure. Name the airline and the equipment you’ll be flying upon.
1. I'll guess Air Canada operating an A320 via Toronto (YYZ).

3. I believe this would have been a short flight from Dallas Love Field on board a DC-3 operated by Central Airlines.
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25. (2001) Back in the 1970s passengers traveling between San Francisco and Vancouver could experience international caliber service via Qantas’s once weekly 747 flight. In 2001 another carrier is exercising 5th Freedom rights on the SFO-YVR route. Identify the airline and the aircraft type it operates on this thrice weekly service.

I thought it was still QF but operating a 747-400 on this route (SYD-SFO-YVR) as the 2nd kick at service to Canada after CP was acquired by AC. CX had long-dropped its 747-200 service (HKG-YVR-SFO) by this time..An interesting bonus set of questions is how Australia-Canada service by airlines of these two countries were operated from mid-'90s to early '00s.

I remember Cathay exercising its 5th freedom rights on this route. Can't quite place the year though. In any event, it wasn't CX or QF. Nor was the aircraft a 747-400. Please, guess again!
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21. (1965) Per schedulespublished in my 1965 North American OAG, I have identified three cities on the North American continent that are served by the Bristol Britannia turboprop. Three different airlines are involved. Identify each city, the airline that serves it with the Britannia and the sole route served for each city as reflected in the North American OAG.

I have to believe that the key phrase here is “on the continent” ... let’s start with these:
  1. Vancouver BC (YVR), Canadian Pacific from Honolulu (HNL)
  2. New York (JFK), BOAC from Bermuda (BDA)
  3. Mexico City (MEX), Cubana from Havana (HAV)
Spot on, J I did a bit of additional research on this because I knew that Aeronaves de Mexico didn't divest itself of its Brits until at least 1967. However, I could find no evidence of scheduled services with them in my OAG. Possibly AM employed them in a back-up or charter capacity toward the end.
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