Multiple Citizenship
Oct 20, 2011, 4:17 am
#31
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Interesting thread.
I am actually in the process of renouncing my US citizenship.
I became a naturalized Swiss citizen some 15 years ago.
Lots of Overseas Americans dumping the US citizenship, especially those who reside in Europe.
I am actually in the process of renouncing my US citizenship.
I became a naturalized Swiss citizen some 15 years ago.
Lots of Overseas Americans dumping the US citizenship, especially those who reside in Europe.
Oct 20, 2011, 4:24 am
#32
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Oct 20, 2011, 4:26 am
#33
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Well, it is $witzerland.
Oct 20, 2011, 6:25 am
#36
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Oct 20, 2011, 7:17 am
#38
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Lot's of people in US with parents immigrated from other countries have at least two passports.
Oct 20, 2011, 7:36 am
#39
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BUt when the countries have fundamentally different values (think US and Saudi Arabia as it pertains to women's rights), when they have ongoing fundamental conflicts (think India and Pakistan), or when they are at war, I can see a dual-citizen having trouble showing allegiance to both.
Those of you who are multiple citizens, have you encountered such conflicts of allegiance in your lives, and how have you dealt with them?
Oct 20, 2011, 7:40 am
#40
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When the interests of the countries are not fundamentally different, and when the countries are not at war, I can see that. With good allies this is easy.
BUt when the countries have fundamentally different values (think US and Saudi Arabia as it pertains to women's rights), when they have ongoing fundamental conflicts (think India and Pakistan), or when they are at war, I can see a dual-citizen having trouble showing allegiance to both.
Those of you who are multiple citizens, have you encountered such conflicts of allegiance in your lives, and how have you dealt with them?
BUt when the countries have fundamentally different values (think US and Saudi Arabia as it pertains to women's rights), when they have ongoing fundamental conflicts (think India and Pakistan), or when they are at war, I can see a dual-citizen having trouble showing allegiance to both.
Those of you who are multiple citizens, have you encountered such conflicts of allegiance in your lives, and how have you dealt with them?
Oct 20, 2011, 7:50 am
#41
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I do. Canadian, American, EU.
I was born in Canada (makes me Canadian)to American parents (makes me American), one of whom was a holocaust survivor..in 1995 Germany gave automatic citizenship to all holocaust survivors driven out of Germany AND their children. So we applied for that and got German citizenship which became EU citizenship.
I don't show "allegiance" to any country. I obey laws and pay taxes. Citizenship is about the passport you hold, not about some conceptual pep-squad or loss of personal agency to the state.
I was born in Canada (makes me Canadian)to American parents (makes me American), one of whom was a holocaust survivor..in 1995 Germany gave automatic citizenship to all holocaust survivors driven out of Germany AND their children. So we applied for that and got German citizenship which became EU citizenship.
I don't show "allegiance" to any country. I obey laws and pay taxes. Citizenship is about the passport you hold, not about some conceptual pep-squad or loss of personal agency to the state.
Last edited by pinworm; Oct 20, 2011 at 7:57 am
Oct 20, 2011, 10:26 am
#42
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I have US and Spanish passports, and have previously held and am eligible to get a French passport. I keep it simple, one US and one EU- the EU passport being the easiest one to get depending on where I'm living. Since there's a Spanish Consulate in San Juan, it's a no-brainer.
I might also qualify for an Israeli and Guatemalan passports, but I haven't bothered trying since neither one offers me anything I need at the moment.
I might also qualify for an Israeli and Guatemalan passports, but I haven't bothered trying since neither one offers me anything I need at the moment.
Oct 20, 2011, 10:56 am
#43
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May I ask the reasons for you wanting to renounce your US citizenship? Presumably if you then go back to visit you will have to pay for an ESTA and enjoy longer lines at US immigration on arrival?
Oct 20, 2011, 12:20 pm
#44
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Oct 20, 2011, 12:22 pm
#45
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