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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 3:21 pm
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Arrow Version 2.8: What's New

I am pleased to announce the release of Version 2.8.

What's New in Version 2.8.0
  • New Seat Map Options
    • Apollo and Galileo seat maps can now be requested in just a click, and without a need to go through a 'dummy booking' process! Both text-based (recommended for advanced users), and graphical seat map versions are now available.

  • New Flight/Operational Info Manager
    • Provides quick and easy access to operational flight info, historical performance data, and flight tracking.

  • Automatic Update Notification
    • Once every 10 days, the Tool will automatically check to see if there is a newer version available for download, and, if so, an appropriate message will be displayed. This process takes only a second or two to complete, and should not cause any noticeable delays.

[Download Version 2.8.0 Now].
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Old Feb 17, 2007 | 11:52 pm
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Sabre searches seem erratic - e.g. C availability on NZ on certain flights / days cycles between 0 and 3 and back again (and again) on successive searches only a few seconds apart. The 3 was correct, at least by availability checking on AirNZ website itself.
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
I am pleased to announce the release of Version 2.8.
Wow! Lots of pretty nifty enhancements. ^ Thanks, KVS.
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by redshift27
Sabre searches seem erratic - e.g. C availability on NZ on certain flights / days cycles between 0 and 3 and back again (and again) on successive searches only a few seconds apart. The 3 was correct, at least by availability checking on AirNZ website itself.
Thanks for the report. This appears to be similar to the issue in post #1231 above -- could be a problem with a link between Sabre and NZ's back-end systems ...
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 6:24 pm
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SeatMaps not working

Installed new version; Now, whenever clicking on:
ANY of the Apollo:ITN Graphical seat map links
ANY of the Apollo:ITN Text seat map links

receive an INSTANT error (I mean this error comes up faster than you can blink): Unable to initialize the Seat Map engine. Please try a different Seat Map Method. "ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved."
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by vrichard
Installed new version; Now, whenever clicking on:
ANY of the Apollo:ITN Graphical seat map links
ANY of the Apollo:ITN Text seat map links

receive an INSTANT error (I mean this error comes up faster than you can blink): Unable to initialize the Seat Map engine. Please try a different Seat Map Method. "ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved."
That appears to be a connection/network issue on your end -- are you using a proxy server and/or some third-party 'personal firewall'-type software by any chance? Also, have you looked at the troubleshooting section of the KVS Tool FAQ?
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
That appears to be a connection/network issue on your end -- are you using a proxy server and/or some third-party 'personal firewall'-type software by any chance? Also, have you looked at the troubleshooting section of the KVS Tool FAQ?
Am using Firewall however, have tried with firewall OFF and same behavior. (When the Firewall is enabled, its connection log feature does show a new local port opened at time of the click to look at the seatmap to 151.193.199.65:80 and 62bytes sent 0Bytes received).

Am I using a proxy server? No.

Have looked at the FAQ (and would suggest that it would be much easier for me to lreview the FAQ if it were on your website instead of or in addition to hard-to-read Flyertalk forum).

I don't think there is any more troubleshooting I can do without knowing what kind of URL/call the program is attempting.

UPDATE: I have tried with another [slow/dial-up] ISP and do not have the problem.
The ISP for my high-speed connection at present location does use transparent proxy and This article might give you some clues as to why KVS is not working with it (they use Squid). I, of course, have no control over my ISP's use of Squid, and in the location I am at do not have alternative ISP. I would imagine some KVS users in some locations (esp airports/public access places) may run into similar problems...?

Last edited by vrichard; Feb 18, 2007 at 8:35 pm Reason: Update to problem
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 10:29 pm
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Originally Posted by vrichard
UPDATE: I have tried with another [slow/dial-up] ISP and do not have the problem.
The ISP for my high-speed connection at present location does use transparent proxy and This article might give you some clues as to why KVS is not working with it (they use Squid). I, of course, have no control over my ISP's use of Squid, and in the location I am at do not have alternative ISP. I would imagine some KVS users in some locations (esp airports/public access places) may run into similar problems...?
Thanks for the info. While that article did not actually contain any information regarding the particular bug in the Squid transparent proxy server that was causing your error situation, it certainly was correct in stating that "transparent proxying (more commonly known as TCP hijacking) [..] is to be avoided at all costs".

The good news is that there is a work-around and I have just uploaded an updated version. Pls download the latest version (setup screen should say 2.8.0.R1), and let me know...
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 10:50 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
it certainly was correct in stating that "transparent proxying (more commonly known as TCP hijacking) [..] is to be avoided at all costs".
The quote "Transparent proxying (more commonly known as TCP hijacking) is like Network Address Translation (NAT) in some respects: It is to be avoided at all costs, and only used if there absolutely, positively, no other way." is old and probably the most inaccurate statement I've ever seen on an O'Reilly site.

Transparent proxying is not referred to as TCP hijacking. (The term is used to describe Man-in-the-middle attacks which may or may not have anything to do with any form of web usage.) NAT isn't to be avoided at all costs. (Almost every home network does it, for a start.) Transparent proxying is used regularly by ISPs (esp. those with expensive overseas peering costs) with almost no downside and the suggestion that it should be avoided because some applications are badly written and don't conform to standards is ignorant tripe.
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Kremmen
Transparent proxying is not referred to as TCP hijacking.
No, but that's, essentially, how it works.

Originally Posted by Kremmen
NAT isn't to be avoided at all costs. (Almost every home network does it, for a start.)
Indeed, NAT has very little to do with transparent HTTP proxying, nor is capable of causing such problems.

Originally Posted by Kremmen
Transparent proxying is used regularly by ISPs (esp. those with expensive overseas peering costs) with almost no downside
It saves $$$ for the ISPs, but there are no real 'upsides' in it for the user. The downsides are numerous, including the possibility of out-of-date content being served, and, as the above case demonstrates, the possibility of a buggy proxy server software frustrating a user with unnecessary and avoidable errors.

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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
It saves $$$ for the ISPs, but there are no real 'upsides' in it for the user.
In a competitive market, saving money for the ISP is an upside for the user in itself, as the ISP will be able to charge less and/or not go broke. The other upside is speed. For me, my ISP is about 40 ms away and US sites are 300 ms away. I run a local proxy on my home network, partly because my ISP doesn't run a proxy in this state. (They do for users in their home state.)
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Kremmen
The other upside is speed.
There is absolutely nothing preventing an ISP from offering a conventional proxy server for those users who want it, instead of "hijacking" everyone's traffic behind their backs.
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:59 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
There is absolutely nothing preventing an ISP from offering a conventional proxy server for those users who want it, instead of "hijacking" everyone's traffic behind their backs.
True. However, most users wouldn't even know how to set a proxy in their browser anyhow, so the advantages, both in speed and cost, are largely lost when an ISP does this.

Emotive terms such as "hijacking" and "behind their backs" don't seem relevant to the discussion. They are doing something which assists their whole user base because the majority are too dumb to do it themselves. Having used ISPs with transparent proxying for years, I believe there is only one important potential downside: The transparent proxy devices must have redundancy and 100% uptime.
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 12:25 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
The good news is that there is a work-around and I have just uploaded an updated version. Pls download the latest version (setup screen should say 2.8.0.R1), and let me know...
Yes, R1 works - thanks for the quick fix.

[I am no fan at all of this ISP or Squid as a transparent proxy --- there is 1 website I can't use at all=connection refused= and this 3rd-world ISP/tech support which barely understands English is unable to correct the problem; they have the word 'bittorrent' blocked in the proxy so that an URL that has that character sequence results in 'Access Denied'; there TWO instances of the proxy, and different releases at that - 1 in the building I'm in, and another further along as evidenced by the headers sent to web servers:
HTTP_VIA = 1.1 xx.xx.xx.xx:8080 (squid/2.5.STABLE11), 1.0 xx.xx.xx.xx:8080 (squid/2.6.STABLE9)
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = 10.17.x.x, 203.x.x.x
and, when the proxy gets out of whack (which happens all too frequently), any request for anything on port 80 times out, but other services (https://, pop, etc.) work just fine.....]
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by vrichard
Yes, R1 works - thanks for the quick fix.
Glad to hear that!
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