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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Feb 14, 2007 | 3:42 pm

#1261

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by virtualtroy

How about a more robust update system such as a 'would you like to upgrade' (I'm sure we all would

) or an email to those who you hold details for?

I am pleased to report that the upcoming version of the Tool will feature an update notification mechanism:

Once every 10 days, the Tool will automatically check to see if there is a newer version available for download, and, if so, an appropriate message will be displayed.

Feb 14, 2007 | 7:42 pm

#1262

jfulcher

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: RDU

Programs: Delta PM/1MM, Hilton Diamond (for now), Bonvoy Titanium

Posts: 3,448

Does the tool work for V upgrade availability on DL?

Otherwise I'm forced to pay for expertflyer for that and KVS for award availability.

Feb 14, 2007 | 10:08 pm

#1263

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfulcher

Does the tool work for V upgrade availability on DL?

I am afraid not: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...62#post3983062

Feb 15, 2007 | 12:04 am

#1264

virtualtroy

Join Date: Mar 2002

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Posts: 4,786

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Originally Posted by KVS

Great, thank you. ^

Feb 15, 2007 | 2:06 am

#1265

Cyba

Join Date: Mar 2005

Programs: Mucci, BA-GGL, LH-Sen

Posts: 2,245

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Hey! That's a great idea. Thanks for doing this.^ ^ ^

Feb 15, 2007 | 11:43 am

#1266

Brobbel

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: NL

Programs: FB M&M AA Amex HH SPG and others

Posts: 1,929

Probably this is asked before, only I couldn't find it.

Is it possible to look for award availibility for a period of time? Now it's possible for some route per day, but when I'm very flexible (holidays) I have to do this many times.

I know it's possible to go one day back with ctrl+pgdn and forward with ctrl+pgup, but I should like the possibility to give some timeframe.

And another one: it should be nice if it was possible to do the search automatically (on the background, every day or so), and give a message when award tickets occured...

But I know, this is probably too complicated to do, but maybe...

Feb 15, 2007 | 2:08 pm

#1267

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobbel

I am afraid that this is one of the few things that I really can't do at the moment (not because it's too complicated, but because it will probably 'kill' the Tool) ...

Therefore, using Filters (to weed-out the irrelevant results) in combination with Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown is the best I can offer at the moment.

Feb 15, 2007 | 2:52 pm

#1268

jfulcher

Join Date: Dec 2003

Location: RDU

Programs: Delta PM/1MM, Hilton Diamond (for now), Bonvoy Titanium

Posts: 3,448

I am having problems finding Delta award availability. It seems like all the searches come back with a bunch of NW/KLM flights even though my originating city is ATL (DL hub). I'm wondering what this tool is giving me over the NWA JP site, it seems to return the same info. I think I wasted $30 contributing.

Feb 15, 2007 | 3:14 pm

#1269

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfulcher

I am having problems finding Delta award availability. It seems like all the searches come back with a bunch of NW/KLM flights even though my originating city is ATL (DL hub).

Given the fact that the data comes from NW, a NW/KL 'bias' is certainly possible. However, looking at a sample city pair, it seems to to work OK:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.8.0/Platinum - ITA: Awards/SkyTeam/JP-NWA]

Code:

ATL  Atlanta William B Hartsfield GA US [KATL]
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
THU  01 Mar 2007 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------
DL        474    ATL  06:45     LGA  08:57               YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        656    ATL  07:00     EWR  09:04               YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        504    ATL  07:45     LGA  09:58     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1154   ATL  08:10     EWR  10:27     737       YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        506    ATL  08:45     LGA  10:57               YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        489    ATL  09:45     LGA  12:06     737       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1164   ATL  09:55     EWR  12:17     737       YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        1278   ATL  10:15     EWR  12:27               YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        921    ATL  10:45     LGA  13:07     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1548   ATL  11:40     LGA  13:57     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        84     ATL  12:25     EWR  14:50     737       YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        1236   ATL  12:35     EWR  14:45     757       YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        396    ATL  12:45     LGA  15:11     737       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1160   ATL  13:30     EWR  15:52     737       YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        488    ATL  13:40     LGA  15:59     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1601   ATL  14:45     EWR  17:00     757       YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        950    ATL  15:44     LGA  18:10     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1150   ATL  15:45     EWR  18:10     737       YS- YA+  CS- CA+
DL        1631   ATL  16:00     EWR  18:22               YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        430    ATL  16:45     LGA  19:15               YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        984    ATL  17:30     EWR  19:56     757       YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
CO        1152   ATL  17:30     EWR  20:10     737       YS- YA+  CS- CA+
DL        384    ATL  18:45     LGA  21:15     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1156   ATL  19:30     EWR  21:50     737       YS- YA+  CS- CA+
DL        366    ATL  19:40     EWR  22:00     757       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1260   ATL  19:45     LGA  22:10     757       YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        1012   ATL  20:45     LGA  23:04               YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        518    ATL  21:15     JFK  23:26               YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        1256   ATL  21:40     LGA  23:54     737       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1010   ATL  21:45     EWR  23:48     737       YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
NW/Delta  9571   ATL  07:13     DTW  09:15     CRJ       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
 -> NW    893    DTW  10:06     JFK  11:47     DC9
NW        474    ATL  07:06     DTW  09:01     319       YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    893    DTW  10:06     JFK  11:47     DC9
NW        474    ATL  07:06     DTW  09:01     319       YS- YA+  CS- CA+
 -> NW    542    DTW  10:10     LGA  11:48     320
NW        203    ATL  07:38     MEM  08:01     DC9       YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    1254   MEM  08:30     EWR  11:57     DC9
NW        950    ATL  13:10     MEM  13:36     DC9       YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    632    MEM  14:30     LGA  18:08     DC9
NW/Delta  8988   ATL  17:19     CVG  19:00     737       YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
 -> NW/De 9141   CVG  19:55     LGA  22:00     757
NW        205    ATL  17:22     MEM  17:50     DC9       YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    634    MEM  18:35     LGA  22:06     320
NW        205    ATL  17:22     MEM  17:50     DC9       YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    1256   MEM  18:30     EWR  22:09     DC9
NW        472    ATL  18:14     DTW  20:20     DC9       YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
 -> NW    262    DTW  21:30     LGA  23:09     757

Feb 15, 2007 | 3:56 pm

#1270

jfulcher

Join Date: Dec 2003

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I'm specifically looking for ATL-CDG availability (where you have tons of possibilities) and MUC-ATL (same here). (on 4/6/07 and 4/15/07 respectively.)

It doesn't even show the direct DL flights, which are available at the sky choice rates.

Maybe it works great domestically, but my point is I didn't realize it was going to give me the same info I can get outside the tool on the NWA JP site. I have no other use for the tool as I have to use expert flyer to search for V/X/Z/G inventory on DL.

Feb 15, 2007 | 4:27 pm

#1271

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfulcher

First of all, DL flights, which only have "Sky Choice" availability would never show-up using the [Awards/SkyTeam] method, because YA/CA classes are only applicable to NW, KL, and CO flights. BTW, if anyone knows which booking classes correspond to "Sky Choice" awards on DL, pls let me know, so that I can updated the DL chart.

If you are certain that there is standard availability on DL for the dates/city pairs in question, then it must, indeed, be the 'bias' issue, which is, unfortunately beyond my control ...

Feb 15, 2007 | 5:00 pm

#1272

jfulcher

Join Date: Dec 2003

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Posts: 3,448

I'm pretty sure that DL books Skychoice award tickets in the same buckets as skysaver awards. Basically the Skychoice award is available if there is a revenue seat available - and by paying double the miles it opens up inventory for you in those applicable buckets. That's the way I understand it at least.

Feb 15, 2007 | 5:24 pm

#1273

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfulcher

Ah, OK -- thanks for the info.

Feb 16, 2007 | 11:34 am

#1274

Brobbel

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: NL

Programs: FB M&M AA Amex HH SPG and others

Posts: 1,929

How consistent is the info from KVS?

I tried AMS-YYZ on Feb. 18,2007
On Sabre:
KL691 J9 C9 Z9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 V2
so there are C9 (open miles business award) and S9 (open miles economy award). No D, no W.

So I expected on ITA Awards/Skyteam:
KL691 YS- YA+ CS- CA+

But surprisingly it says:
KL 691 YS- YA+ CS+ CA+

Howcome?

Added:
the same info for 1-6 seats on ITA, but when 7 or more seats are requested it gives
YS- YA+ CS- CA+

Feb 16, 2007 | 11:57 am

#1275

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobbel

How consistent is the info from KVS?

It is as consistent as KL wants it to be

...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobbel

I tried AMS-YYZ on Feb. 18,2007
On Sabre:
KL691 J9 C9 Z9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 V2
so there are C9 (open miles business award) and S9 (open miles economy award). No D, no W.

Looks like KL is not always showing award availability via Sabre: I tried it a few minutes ago and it was also not showing D. However, when I tried again, D 'magically' appeared:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.8.0/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/US-AXC1]

Code:

AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
SUN  18 Feb 2007

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------
KL        691    AMS  13:25     YYZ  15:40     777  0    J9 C9 Z9 D6 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L8 Q8 T8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brobbel

Added:
the same info for 1-6 seats on ITA, but when 7 or more seats are requested it gives
YS- YA+ CS- CA+

This means that the actual availability was D6.