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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Jan 23, 2007 | 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
[Apollo: Awards/UA] Method Removed
Bummer.
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Old Jan 23, 2007 | 8:38 pm
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Exclamation Upgrade Reminder: V2.7.1

Just a reminder to all existing users of the Tool, who may still be using outdated versions, to download and install the latest version (V2.7.1).
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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 7:41 pm
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Arrow UA Awards/Upgrade Classes Are Back!

Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
Another ouch.
Originally Posted by qasr
Bummer.
Great news -- [Apollo: Awards/UA] Method is now back!

Almost miraculously, the old ITN UA engine started working again earlier on today ... I just released a new version.
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Old Jan 26, 2007 | 12:39 am
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Just now downloaded and installed. Excellent news that UA award came back!
But my KVS Availability Tool is saying the version 2.7.3.
Am I too early???
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Old Jan 26, 2007 | 3:29 am
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Hey there,

I've been having a problem getting a list of fares using Sabre: Fares/DotRes for some time.

Some destinatios work, but many don't, parciularly those from Australia to Europe. When I run MEL-LON or MEL-CPH or SYD-LON/CPH I get a message

Datasource error:
No flights available, please change your preferences and try again

There are countless fares MEL/SYD to LON so I can't see who the tool is unable to locate any fares for this route. Any ideas?

Cheers,
Kael
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Old Jan 26, 2007 | 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by Kael O
I've been having a problem getting a list of fares using Sabre: Fares/DotRes for some time.

Some destinatios work, but many don't, parciularly those from Australia to Europe. When I run MEL-LON or MEL-CPH or SYD-LON/CPH I get a message

Datasource error:
No flights available, please change your preferences and try again

There are countless fares MEL/SYD to LON so I can't see who the tool is unable to locate any fares for this route. Any ideas?
In such cases, you need to specify an airline preference in your fare query, e.g. "QF" or "QF; SQ; NZ":

[KVS Availability Tool 2.7.3/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US/AUD]
Code:
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
THU  01 Feb 2007 / THU  15 Feb 2007 / RT

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
QF        SYD    LON     1598   AUD                      QLPX1Y2
NZ        SYD    LON     1666   AUD                      GGB1Y
QF        SYD    LON     1692   AUD                      SLBB1Y
QF        SYD    LON     1802   AUD                      LLBB1Y
NZ        SYD    LON     1886   AUD                      SGB1Y
QF        SYD    LON     1912   AUD                      MLBB1Y
NZ        SYD    LON     1996   AUD                      LGB1Y
QF        SYD    LON     2122   AUD                      KLSS1Y
QF        SYD    LON     2200   AUD                      SLBBOW
SQ        SYD    LON     2319   AUD                      YLEZ1Y
[..]
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Old Jan 26, 2007 | 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by shinnene
Just now downloaded and installed. Excellent news that UA award came back!
But my KVS Availability Tool is saying the version 2.7.3.
Am I too early???
2.7.3 is now the current version -- I have updated the website and the 'What's New' post.
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Old Jan 26, 2007 | 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
2.7.3 is now the current version -- I have updated the website and the 'What's New' post.
Wow I can't keep up... Still on 2.7.1, downloaded barely days ago. How about a more robust update system such as a 'would you like to upgrade' (I'm sure we all would ) or an email to those who you hold details for?
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 4:16 am
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Hello KVS.

If I remember correctly (but I may be wrong, after a couple of sleepless nights!), up to a few releases ago, right-clicking on a segment in Apollo would also display the relevant flight duration at the bottom of the so-called "context menu". It was very immediate, practical and convenient, because I didn't have to open an external window in my browser just to read the flight duration in E-Travel.
Now (2.7.3), when I right-click on a segment, I see the equipment and distance, but the flight duration no longer appears, and I have to open E-Travel to read that info.

If you could re-add the flight duration for each segment in a future release of the tool, I would very much appreciate it. If that feature never existed, instead, and I'm just hallucinating because I'm too tired, please disregard this message!

Thanks for your attention, and thanks for this great, indispensable tool.

Regards

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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by DEX456
If I remember correctly (but I may be wrong, after a couple of sleepless nights!), up to a few releases ago, right-clicking on a segment in Apollo would also display the relevant flight duration at the bottom of the so-called "context menu". It was very immediate, practical and convenient, because I didn't have to open an external window in my browser just to read the flight duration in E-Travel.
Now (2.7.3), when I right-click on a segment, I see the equipment and distance, but the flight duration no longer appears, and I have to open E-Travel to read that info.

If you could re-add the flight duration for each segment in a future release of the tool, I would very much appreciate it. If that feature never existed, instead, and I'm just hallucinating because I'm too tired, please disregard this message!

Thanks for your attention, and thanks for this great, indispensable tool.
Yes, you remember correctly -- some of the old ITN methods did, in fact, used to provide flight duration info.

However, at the moment, only the [Amadeus: Timetable] engine reports flight duration. [Apollo: ITN] & [WSpan: ITN] Methods report distance, and the [Sabre: ITN] method reports info on meals.
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 9:11 am
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Question

Originally Posted by virtualtroy
Wow I can't keep up... Still on 2.7.1, downloaded barely days ago. How about a more robust update system such as a 'would you like to upgrade' (I'm sure we all would ) or an email to those who you hold details for?
There was actually no V2.7.2, so you were only 'off'' by 1 version .

Anyway, I am already looking into this issue, and if anyone else has any comments or suggestions, as to the way(s) in which they would like to be notified, when a new version/update is available for download, please let me know.

Here are some possible options:
  • Posting a notice on the Tool's website and in this thread (that's how it's done now);
  • Notification by e-mail;
  • Have the Tool automatically check every X number of days on startup, to see if a new version is available, and, if so, take you to the download website;
  • Have the Tool automatically check every time you start it up, to see if a new version is available, and, if so, take you to the download website;
  • Have the Tool prompt you every X number of days on startup, whether you would like to check for updates.
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 10:22 am
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Problems displaying CoS in AA - Apollo ITN

Dear KVS,

I am a lite user using version 2.7.3. - Using Apollo ITN

I am having two types of problems with the display of Class of Services in AA:

1- It does not reflect availability for the direct flights: All "0"
(i.e.: JFK-EZE or viceversa or JFK-GRU & Viceversa, same other destinations even JFK-LAX, and this apply for any day -- The screen shows:
F0 C0 Y0 B0 M0 V0 K0 Q0
However, the flights with connections show correct availability. And if I go to AA, there is good availability in any class of service for the direct flight too.

The strange thing is that the above "direct" flights with problems when they are used in a connection with other flights (ie: EZE-LAX connecting in JFK through the direct EZE-JFK) will show the availability with no problem-- therefore, it seems that the problem is displaying Availability on any class of service when the display is only one line for one direct flight without any connection - For example:

Try March 19:

1- EZE-JFK in AA, and you will find:
AA 956 EZE 20:35 JFK 06:05 +1 777 0 F0 C0 Y0 B0 M0 V0 K0 Q0

2- EZE-LAX in AA, and note that now the same AA 956 is OK:
AA 956 EZE 20:35 JFK 06:05 +1 777 0 F7 J7 S0 Y7 W7 B7 H7 M7 N7 K7 L7 Q7 V7 G7
-> AA 33 JFK 07:35 +1 LAX 10:50 +1 762 0 F0 C0 Y0 B0 M0 V0 K0 Q0

The problem is just with AA - For example:
Try on March 19:
JFK-SYD asking for QF, all class of services will show up
JFK-SYD asking for AA (that exactly the same flights since it is a code share), you will see the same problem from above:F0 C0 Y0 B0 M0 V0 K0 Q0


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Second Problem -- Also in AA:

It seems that Class of Service "A" and "D" are not showing up on AA flights with 3 class of service-- For example, the same 956 of above do have these two class of services but are not showing up (they used to appear) - However, the "D" class of service does show up in the AA flights with 2 International class of services (J/D - Business and Coach) -- for example: EZE-DFW -- AA 996 -- when used as a connection (i.e.: EZE-LAX connection through DFW) will show availability on "J" and "D" for business.

For the 3 classes, not even as a connection are showing the "A" and the "D", but if you search but the codeshare airline, they will show-up OK.
Same as the example before: JFK-SYD by QF and by AA. On QF you will see "A" and "D", but you will not see them on AA.


Thanks for your assistance!
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by NYArgMan
I am having two types of problems with the display of Class of Services in AA:
Very strange... Perhaps, there is some kind of a 'feud' currently going on between AA and Apollo... All AA flights are showing correctly in Sabre:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.7.3/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/US-AXC1]
Code:
EZE  Buenos Aires Ministro Pistarini BA AR [SAEZ]
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
MON  19 Mar 2007

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------
AA        956    EZE  20:35     JFK  06:05 +1  777  0    F7 A5 J7 D3 I0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 G7 V7 N7
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Not sure if it's just me, but it seems as though the Worldspan: TravelASP: Text is not working correctly? I get the following error:

Error requesting data:

Connecting > [1]
Cannot connect [12029]

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