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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
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https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
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https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
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https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
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https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
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https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
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https://wftc3.e-travel.com
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https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
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https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
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https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
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https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
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https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
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https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
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https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
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https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
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https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
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https://www.routehappy.com/
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
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https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
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https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
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https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
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https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
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http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
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http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
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http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
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http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
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http://www.flightradar24.com/
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http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
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http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
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http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
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http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 8:26 pm
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So is the worldspan seatmap toast? Its been almost 5 days and no fix. I really don't like launching another web browser and than having to price out a ticket to get the seatmap
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Old Feb 7, 2007 | 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by MNAudiS4
So is the worldspan seatmap toast? Its been almost 5 days and no fix. I really don't like launching another web browser and than having to price out a ticket to get the seatmap
Not at all -- it just needs to be fixed (by whoever 'broke' it in the first place). I miss it too, but, unfortunately, there is not much I can do at this point to speed-up that process ...

In the meantime, I am also working on making the Galileo seat maps to work on a '1-click' basis, so you will no longer need to manually go through a dummy booking process ...
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 3:48 am
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Apollo seems to have started listing flights on a random basis. Until recently it seemed to list (1) nonstop or direct flights with any seat availability (2) connecting flights with availability and then (3) nonstop/ direct flights with no availability.

In the last few days I've noticed that it has started burrying nonstop flights with availability between connecting flights so that unless you know there is a flight there you might not know to look for it.

Yes, I ask to sort by # of connex
Example is LHR-HKG 27 Mar
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Cyba
Apollo seems to have started listing flights on a random basis. Until recently it seemed to list (1) nonstop or direct flights with any seat availability (2) connecting flights with availability and then (3) nonstop/ direct flights with no availability.

In the last few days I've noticed that it has started burrying nonstop flights with availability between connecting flights so that unless you know there is a flight there you might not know to look for it.

Yes, I ask to sort by # of connex
Example is LHR-HKG 27 Mar
ITN has always listed flights with zero availability in the Economy cabin last. If you are dealing with an unfamiliar route, it may advisable to look at the [Amadeus Timetable] first ...

[KVS Availability Tool 2.7.4/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-BMB]
Code:
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
TUE  27 Mar 2007

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- --------------------------------------------------
CX        252    LHR  12:45     HKG  07:25 +1  744  0    F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q0 O0
NZ        38     LHR  21:05     HKG  15:50 +1  744  0    C4 D4 Z2 J4 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 T0 L0 S0 G0 K0  0  0  0
VS        200    LHR  22:30     HKG  17:50 +1  346  0    J0 D0 Z0 S0 Y1 B1 L0 M0 Q0 X0 N0  0  0

LH/BD     6587   LHR  12:05     AMS  14:20     32S  0    Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 G4 L4 T4
 -> KL    887    AMS  15:20     HKG  08:30 +1  74M  0    J9 C9 Z5 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9
BA        908    LHR  13:50     FRA  16:35     319  0    J9 C8 D5 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 V9 N9 E9 L9 S9 Q9
 -> LH    738    FRA  17:45     HKG  10:30 +1  747  0    F9 A9 C9 D9 Z9 R0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 S9

QF        30     LHR  12:20     HKG  07:10 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
BA        25     LHR  18:25     HKG  13:20 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 I4 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 V0 N0 L0 S0 Q0  0  0
O8        707    LGW  20:40     HKG  15:00 +1  744  0    J0 D0 U0 I0 Z0 F4 B0 V0 P4 H0 M0 L0
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
[KVS Availability Tool 2.7.4/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-BMB]
Code:
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
TUE  27 Mar 2007

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- --------------------------------------------------
CX        252    LHR  12:45     HKG  07:25 +1  744  0    F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q0 O0
NZ        38     LHR  21:05     HKG  15:50 +1  744  0    C4 D4 Z2 J4 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 T0 L0 S0 G0 K0  0  0  0
VS        200    LHR  22:30     HKG  17:50 +1  346  0    J0 D0 Z0 S0 Y1 B1 L0 M0 Q0 X0 N0  0  0

LH/BD     6587   LHR  12:05     AMS  14:20     32S  0    Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 G4 L4 T4
 -> KL    887    AMS  15:20     HKG  08:30 +1  74M  0    J9 C9 Z5 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9
BA        908    LHR  13:50     FRA  16:35     319  0    J9 C8 D5 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 V9 N9 E9 L9 S9 Q9
 -> LH    738    FRA  17:45     HKG  10:30 +1  747  0    F9 A9 C9 D9 Z9 R0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 S9

QF        30     LHR  12:20     HKG  07:10 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
BA        25     LHR  18:25     HKG  13:20 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 I4 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 V0 N0 L0 S0 Q0  0  0
O8        707    LGW  20:40     HKG  15:00 +1  744  0    J0 D0 U0 I0 Z0 F4 B0 V0 P4 H0 M0 L0

Veering slightly OT, but given this combo of dates / routing, VS is in the money. While CX (direct), LH, KL have big problems with seats down the back. QF, NZ meanwhile seem to have healthy non-premium loads, but, wow, what a disappointment for the cabins which pay the fuel bill...
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by virtualtroy
Veering slightly OT, but given this combo of dates / routing, VS is in the money. While CX (direct), LH, KL have big problems with seats down the back. QF, NZ meanwhile seem to have healthy non-premium loads, but, wow, what a disappointment for the cabins which pay the fuel bill...
Very unreliable indicator. Booked from UK market inventory, there are at least 4 discounted Upper Class seats available on that VS200.

(And this is one reason why tools like KVS and EF, while often very useful, often fall down for UK customers just when you need them most, ie when you're chasing the last seat or two.)

The other thing to watch for when considering "in the money" is yield. There's a lot of pressure on 27 March and a day or so either side because people are arriving for the Sevens, which starts on Friday 30 March. So even if VS has sold all its Upper Class this far in advance, what yield did it get for those seats? How many have gone to package operators at deeply discounted net rates? Are the airlines that still have premium capacity going to hold out for higher yields later?

I have no idea what the answers are, but these are all the bread and butter of that arcane art called yield management.
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
Very unreliable indicator. Booked from UK market inventory, there are at least 4 discounted Upper Class seats available on that VS200.

(And this is one reason why tools like KVS and EF, while often very useful, often fall down for UK customers just when you need them most, ie when you're chasing the last seat or two.)

The other thing to watch for when considering "in the money" is yield. There's a lot of pressure on 27 March and a day or so either side because people are arriving for the Sevens, which starts on Friday 30 March. So even if VS has sold all its Upper Class this far in advance, what yield did it get for those seats? How many have gone to package operators at deeply discounted net rates? Are the airlines that still have premium capacity going to hold out for higher yields later?

I have no idea what the answers are, but these are all the bread and butter of that arcane art called yield management.
It's also a bit too far in advance to be judging the performance of various players on that route, particularly in premium classes. Business travelers are not likely to have booked trips for the end of March already, so it would be very unusual indeed if VS's listed numbers were accurate.
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 12:04 pm
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Exclamation [Sabre: Fares/ZUJ] Method Issues

You may experience difficulties obtaining fares for certain city pairs.

I am already looking into this matter...

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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 1:24 pm
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I am already working on resolving this issue, and a new version of the Tool is expected to be released shortly.
it's been working fine for me all day, and still is. ^
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Old Feb 10, 2007 | 1:44 pm
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Originally Posted by sadiqhassan
it's been working fine for me all day, and still is. ^
Thanks for the info -- it appears that only certain city pairs are affected ...
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 8:36 pm
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Exclamation Important note regarding the [Sabre: Fares/ZUJ] & [Sabre: Fares/DotRes] Methods

A "No fares found"/"We cannot process your request" error message can result when requesting fares for "All Airlines (YY)". Should that occur, try entering a specific airline preference.

If you are requesting international fares on UA and are receiving the said message, please note that this is a system issue with the Sabre GDS and/or UA.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 4:49 am
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Not showing all flights

I'm looking for availability on US on the 0725 flt fr Buf to PHL and on to LAX via PHX with various combos. US shows the strings, but KVS isn't pulling it. Any ideas?
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by EileenSRN
I'm looking for availability on US on the 0725 flt fr Buf to PHL and on to LAX via PHX with various combos. US shows the strings, but KVS isn't pulling it. Any ideas?
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What are the dates? I just checked 01 Mar 2007, and it shows that US 725 goes from PIT to LAS ...
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 6:54 pm
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Thank You!

By now I have corrected my mistake. I was referring to the departure time, not flt #. I understand that coach is sold out, but not first. I just wondered why US would pull a routing just because there were some flights with limited seating. They're still offering flt 1997 that leaves BUF at 0645 to CLT on Feb 17th. I'm just trying to learn how to read. US says one thing, Orbitz another and KVS something else again. I understand seeing seats "available" on a seat map means nothing. But I thought Orbitz was supposed to be pretty accurate. Thanks for working with me.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by EileenSRN
By now I have corrected my mistake. I was referring to the departure time, not flt #. I understand that coach is sold out, but not first. I just wondered why US would pull a routing just because there were some flights with limited seating. They're still offering flt 1997 that leaves BUF at 0645 to CLT on Feb 17th. I'm just trying to learn how to read. US says one thing, Orbitz another and KVS something else again. I understand seeing seats "available" on a seat map means nothing. But I thought Orbitz was supposed to be pretty accurate. Thanks for working with me.
I know, I've got no chance on the President's week vacation exodus from the north, but it's fun to dream.
Pls see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...60#post7211960
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