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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
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https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 8:34 pm
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KVS appears to be down 10PM Nov 01

KVS appears not to be authenticating
Unable to connect to Authentication Server
Every thing times out
Error requesting Data
9001 error


www.kvstool.com not found
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 9:06 pm
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I'm getting a similar response to zman's.

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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 9:47 pm
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problrms here too, tahnkfully it's not juts me.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 10:08 pm
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Exclamation

Originally Posted by zman
KVS appears not to be authenticating
Originally Posted by TRRed
I'm getting a similar response to zman's.
Originally Posted by rkaradi
problrms here too, tahnkfully it's not juts me.
There is currently a web server outage. The hosting provider has already been notified and is working on resolving the issue (which is on their end).

They expect that the system will be back up and running within the next hour or so.

Apologies for the inconvenience.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 10:46 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
There is currently a web server outage. The hosting provider has already been notified and is working on resolving the issue (which is on their end).

They expect that the system will be back up and running within the next hour or so.

Apologies for the inconvenience.
system appears up @12:30am Nov 2
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 1:42 am
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Routing rules not available

Since yesterday, the routing rules are not available (for all fares)

The message is

* NO FARE IN SYSTEM
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by dechil
Since yesterday, the routing rules are not available (for all fares)

The message is

* NO FARE IN SYSTEM
That issue must be specific to particular fare(s), as the system continues to function normally, based on a few random test cases, e.g.:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.2/Diamond - Routing Rules: NYC-LAX/AA/QA3KQYN/208 USD]
Code:
NYCLAX-AA  2NOV09      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0011 RULE 2435 
   -FARE BASIS         USD       TAX       TOTAL    PTC  FT     
QA3KQYN               96.74      7.26      104.00   ADT  NL     
QA3KQYN/IN00           0.00      0.00        0.00   INF  NL     
QA3KQYN               96.74      7.26      104.00   INS  NL     
BOOKING CODES        Q                                          
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG                                            
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - SIP - INSTANT PURCHASE
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING    2 FROM-TO  NYC-LAX*                                  
             FROM-TO  NYC-SFO-LAX*                              
             FROM-TO  NYC-DFW/STL/CHI-LAX*                      
             FROM-TO  NYC-SJC-LAX*
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Error Retreiving Fare Rules
"Emulation Failed"
This matter is already being looked into; in the meantime, please use one of the other Fare Rules options...
Any update on this?
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 11:09 pm
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Originally Posted by burr
Any update on this?
That issue will be resolved in the next release.
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
That issue must be specific to particular fare(s), as the system continues to function normally, based on a few random test cases, e.g.:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.2/Diamond - Routing Rules: NYC-LAX/AA/QA3KQYN/208 USD]
Code:
NYCLAX-AA  2NOV09      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0011 RULE 2435 
   -FARE BASIS         USD       TAX       TOTAL    PTC  FT     
QA3KQYN               96.74      7.26      104.00   ADT  NL     
QA3KQYN/IN00           0.00      0.00        0.00   INF  NL     
QA3KQYN               96.74      7.26      104.00   INS  NL     
BOOKING CODES        Q                                          
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG                                            
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - SIP - INSTANT PURCHASE
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING    2 FROM-TO  NYC-LAX*                                  
             FROM-TO  NYC-SFO-LAX*                              
             FROM-TO  NYC-DFW/STL/CHI-LAX*                      
             FROM-TO  NYC-SJC-LAX*
Just download KVS Diamond..still trying to learn all this..I am trying to find some fares from GOT-IAD, GOT-EWR, GOT-JFK. How do I get to the point as shown above with the fare and the taxes?

Thanks
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 11:28 am
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Lightbulb

Originally Posted by Flyiboy
Just download KVS Diamond..still trying to learn all this..I am trying to find some fares from GOT-IAD, GOT-EWR, GOT-JFK. How do I get to the point as shown above with the fare and the taxes?
After using the [Fares] tab to retrieve the fare list, double-click a specific fare and select Routing Rules.

See also http://Help.KVSTool.com

And a warm welcome to the Diamond level!
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 3:16 pm
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Arrow What's New: Version 5.1

Originally Posted by gleff
Very cool, thanks! ^
Originally Posted by zman
Using Sabre Availability/GTC with AA or UA filter on
All flights listed have arrival at 00:00 +83
Did BOS-ORD and BOS-LAX
Version 5.1.0 Release

  • Enhanced: [My Trips] functionality.
  • New: Support for LH, LX, and CX PNRs.
  • Resolved: Various issues with [Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld], [Galileo: ETR], and [Sabre: GTC] Methods.

Version 5.1.4 Release

  • Enhanced: [Availability: Sabre/GTC] Method now supports specific carrier(s) selection.
  • New: Drag-and-Drop individual segments to WordPad (or another application) for easy multi-segment trip construction.
  • Resolved: [WSpan Fare Rules Summary] issues. Date Format issues for certain locales.
  • Updated: Alliance changes for CO/MX.
    Resolved: System Code Permanency Issues: If your current System Code starts with S-FFxxxxxx, it may change to a new permanent System Code after upgrading to V5.1.4, in which case please request a Replacement code via the Registration Wizard.

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Old Nov 14, 2009 | 5:23 am
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Fare/ routing rules bug

First of all I understand that the situation described below may be extremely rare, so if it is difficult to fix the issue I would not insist.

Situation: search of fares DEL-MOW. The case in point is DEL-MOW/YY/YIF.

Problem: fare rules (TVN) and routing rules are incorrectly shown for the cheaper fare.

Possible reasons for an error:

a) there are two different YY/YIF fares with different global indicators (FE and EH), different prices and difference mileage allowance (MPM)
b) KVS is not able to specify the GI in the request and obtains something with default settings

Unexplained: the eligibility rules (TVN method) mention some strange restrictions which do not seem to relate to both fares at all (Greek seaman/ government orders).

Possible solution: possibility to specify GI (with "default" settings by default to avoid questions from newcomers, EH, AT etc) would possibly solve the problem.
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Old Nov 14, 2009 | 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by Keter
Possible reasons for an error:

a) there are two different YY/YIF fares with different global indicators (FE and EH), different prices and difference mileage allowance (MPM)
b) KVS is not able to specify the GI in the request and obtains something with default settings
Correct, there are 2 different YIF fares one with an FE GI and the other with an EH GI. ExpertFlyer apparently now shows the GI when you look at a fares routing or fare rules.
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Old Nov 14, 2009 | 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Keter
First of all I understand that the situation described below may be extremely rare, so if it is difficult to fix the issue I would not insist.

Situation: search of fares DEL-MOW. The case in point is DEL-MOW/YY/YIF.

Problem: fare rules (TVN) and routing rules are incorrectly shown for the cheaper fare.

Possible reasons for an error:

a) there are two different YY/YIF fares with different global indicators (FE and EH), different prices and difference mileage allowance (MPM)
b) KVS is not able to specify the GI in the request and obtains something with default settings

Unexplained: the eligibility rules (TVN method) mention some strange restrictions which do not seem to relate to both fares at all (Greek seaman/ government orders).

Possible solution: possibility to specify GI (with "default" settings by default to avoid questions from newcomers, EH, AT etc) would possibly solve the problem.
The GI can only be specified in the MPM queries, so you can obtain MPM for each routing type:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.4/Diamond - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: DEL-MOW]
Code:
                                                                
         GI       M      5M     10M     15M     20M     25M     
MPM      FE    3231    3392    3554    3715    3877    4038     
MPM      EH    5452    5724    5997    6269    6542    6815
The permitted GI forms a part of the fare rules -- it is something that is retrieved (based on the Fare Basis), and not something that is requested.

Airlines should not be filing different fares with the same Fare Basis (which is the case here). When they do (and this very rare), it causes confusion and system issues, which you are experiencing...
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