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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

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Apr 11, 2014 | 1:22 pm

#6736

pinkdog

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Thank you for the fast reply.

So is there a way for me to still do my searching but without using AC-StarAlliance and stick with ANA. But still have it search for all the connections?

Searching with Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1 for YUL-ZRH only comes up with 3 flights. Not all the possible ones like AC-StarAlliance.

I guess in simple terms, i want to go from YUL to ZRH, i don't care that there's connections in the middle. As long as its all Business, im fine. Show me all my options on star alliance to get to ZRH no matter how many connections. If that's possible.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by KVS

It's phantom -- there is no actual C Award Availability on those flights:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

YUL  Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
WED  01 Oct 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         479     YUL   17:15     FRA   06:30 +1  343  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH     1184    FRA   08:00 +1  ZRH   08:55 +1  E90  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
LH         479     YUL   17:15     FRA   06:30 +1  343  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH     1186    FRA   09:45 +1  ZRH   10:40 +1  735  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
AC         874     YUL   18:55     FRA   08:20 +1  333  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH     1186    FRA   09:45 +1  ZRH   10:40 +1  735  0   FS/  CS+  YS+

Last edited by pinkdog; Apr 11, 2014 at 1:39 pm

Apr 12, 2014 | 8:51 am

#6737

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkdog

Thank you for the fast reply.

So is there a way for me to still do my searching but without using AC-StarAlliance and stick with ANA. But still have it search for all the connections?

As mentioned previously, you would either need to specify the desired connections yourself when using [Awards/StarAlliance] or use the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Method to build them for you.

Apr 16, 2014 | 8:55 pm

#6738

WineCountryUA

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Noticing that at times inventory classes are max'ing out at 4 instead of 9 for UA.

Using the Availability tab, FS method.

Example UA 1636 (SFO-ORD), July 11 F4Y4
but UA reports F9Y9 via expert mode.

As you go forward into Aug, Sept, .... this becomes more common and until nearly all flights inventory classes are capped at 4 instead of the normal 9.

I have traditionally used the Award/Upgrade search (but no more for UA), so is this normal or what???

Last edited by WineCountryUA; Apr 16, 2014 at 9:28 pm Reason: added airport codes

Apr 16, 2014 | 9:55 pm

#6739

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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA

This is normal -- as noted at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting:

"Depending on the airline, cabin and the GDS system used, the maximum number can be one of the following: 9, 7 or 4."

You can also use the [Availability/ETR] Method, which is currently showing F9 Y9 for that flight.

Apr 17, 2014 | 3:05 pm

#6740

WineCountryUA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

This is normal -- as noted at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting:

"Depending on the airline, cabin and the GDS system used, the maximum number can be one of the following: 9, 7 or 4."

...

Understand LH only release up to 4 and UA releases up to 9, and .....
But why would some flights on the same airline, day and cities show 4 max and some show 9.

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Originally Posted by KVS

.... You can also use the [Availability/ETR] Method, which is currently showing F9 Y9 for that flight.

Very awkward method, no easy way to see the entire (paid) fare class set.

Apr 17, 2014 | 8:40 pm

#6741

SpaceCoastBill

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OK, so Ive been trying multiple options and calling US Air to confirm.....

Its definitely not as easy looking for upgrade availability with one world. With star alliance I could see FS+ or FS- and know if there was availability.... and now many.

With one world I can see FS9, but still not have any availability for an upgrade.....

What do you use to look into the system and see if there is or is not open upgrades?

Apr 19, 2014 | 2:26 pm

#6742

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I'm having some issues with US Airways availability...

1. I'm trying to change a BA Avios booking that included a domestic AA flight to a domestic US flight. Using KVS I see FS8, for example, in the award section of the tool' though BA tells me there is no availability on that flight.

2. When digging a little deeper, I see that some US flights that show availability in the awards section, don't even appear as flights in the regular availability section (the first tab).

Are these issues related to a POS problem, a misalignment of award fare categories, or something else?

Apr 19, 2014 | 2:42 pm

#6743

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA

Understand LH only release up to 4 and UA releases up to 9, and .....
But why would some flights on the same airline, day and cities show 4 max and some show 9.

The maximum number of seats displayed depends on the technical and commercial arrangements that the airline has with each specific reservation system.

Apr 19, 2014 | 2:43 pm

#6744

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Originally Posted by billinaz

Upgrade Booking Classes are not as uniform across OneWorld as they are in *A:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_OneWorld

What is the airline/flight in question?

Apr 19, 2014 | 2:45 pm

#6745

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LondonElite

1. I'm trying to change a BA Avios booking that included a domestic AA flight to a domestic US flight. Using KVS I see FS8, for example, in the award section of the tool' though BA tells me there is no availability on that flight.

2. When digging a little deeper, I see that some US flights that show availability in the awards section, don't even appear as flights in the regular availability section (the first tab).

What is the flight #/date/class in question?

Apr 19, 2014 | 3:41 pm

#6746

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

What is the flight #/date/class in question?

For example:

On 22Apr
US1803 RSW-CLT shows FS5 and the connecting flight
US1788 CLT-ORD also shows FS5

BA says no F award availability. Is this a case of one flight having availability and the other not?

And when I click on the Availability tab, these flights don't even show as being available for revenue.

Apr 19, 2014 | 3:48 pm

#6747

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LondonElite

On 22Apr
US1803 RSW-CLT shows FS5 and the connecting flight
US1788 CLT-ORD also shows FS5

BA says no F award availability. Is this a case of one flight having availability and the other not?

US 1788 only has 3 F Award Seats available -- please download the latest KVS Tool Version (or search segment-by-segment):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]

Code:

CLT  Charlotte Douglas NC US [KCLT]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
TUE  22 Apr 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
US         1987    CLT   07:30     ORD   08:27              FS0  YS1
AA/MQ      3065    CLT   08:00     ORD   09:20              FS/  YS5
US         1946    CLT   09:50     ORD   10:58              FS0  YS4
US         1862    CLT   11:50     ORD   12:57              FS0  YS2
US         1892    CLT   14:30     ORD   15:29              FS0  YS5
US         2095    CLT   16:10     ORD   17:07              FS2  YS1
US         1851    CLT   20:09     ORD   21:08              FS1  YS9
US         1788    CLT   22:35     ORD   23:33              FS3  YS9

Quote:

Originally Posted by LondonElite

And when I click on the Availability tab, these flights don't even show as being available for revenue.

You just need to specify a connecting point (or search segment-by-segment):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

Code:

RSW  Fort Myers Southwest Florida Intl FL US [KRSW]
CLT  Charlotte Douglas NC US [KCLT]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
TUE  22 Apr 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------
US         2065    RSW   08:20     CLT   10:16     321      F1 A1 P1 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U0 E0 R0
 -> US     1862    CLT   11:50     ORD   12:57     321      F1 A1 P1 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U0 E0 R0
US         2065    RSW   08:20     CLT   10:16     321      F1 A1 P1 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E0 R0
 -> US/##  2577    CLT   12:55     ORD   13:55     ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US         1842    RSW   10:25     CLT   12:22     734      F2 A2 P2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R0
 -> US     1892    CLT   14:30     ORD   15:29     321      F2 A2 P2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R0
US         2069    RSW   12:05     CLT   13:56     321      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G8 K7 U1 E0 R0
 -> US     1892    CLT   14:30     ORD   15:29     321      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G8 K7 U1 E0 R0
US         2069    RSW   12:05     CLT   13:56     321      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U5 E3 R0
 -> US     2095    CLT   16:10     ORD   17:07     320      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U5 E3 R0
US         2069    RSW   12:05     CLT   13:56     321      F0 A0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W0 L0 S0 T0 G0 K0 U0 E0 R0
 -> US     1908    CLT   17:59     ORD   18:58     321      F0 A0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R0
US         1908    RSW   14:55     CLT   16:50     321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E7 R0
 -> US/##  2513    CLT   18:40     ORD   19:40     ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US         1908    RSW   14:55     CLT   16:50     321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E7 R0
 -> US/##  2597    CLT   20:05     ORD   21:05     ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US         1908    RSW   14:55     CLT   16:50     321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K8 U6 E5 R0
 -> US     1851    CLT   20:09     ORD   21:08     321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K8 U6 E5 R0
US         2088    RSW   17:18     CLT   19:10     320      F3 A3 P3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R9
 -> US/##  2597    CLT   20:05     ORD   21:05     ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US         2088    RSW   17:18     CLT   19:10     320      F3 A3 P3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R6
 -> US     1851    CLT   20:09     ORD   21:08     321      F3 A3 P3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R6
US         1803    RSW   19:10     CLT   21:01     321      F8 A8 P8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S8 T7 G7 K6 U4 E3 R0
 -> US     1788    CLT   22:35     ORD   23:33     321      F8 A8 P8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S8 T7 G7 K6 U4 E3 R0

Apr 19, 2014 | 4:01 pm

#6748

LondonElite

Suspended

Join Date: Mar 2002

Location: Canada, USA, Europe

Programs: UA 1K

Posts: 31,439

Got it...part 2 I should have figured out for myself, part 1 I should have done as well as a check. Thanks

Apr 24, 2014 | 5:48 pm

#6749

themadsupra

Join Date: Oct 2010

Location: BOISE

Programs: *A

Posts: 112

Man I am really striking out here..Ive used up my points on Award Nexus, searched Jal Mileage bank, Qatas ect...I even have a paid Sub to KVS tool..and while I am a rookie at using it, I think I am using it correctly because it shows the same stuff as I am able to pull up on the other pages..but its all in one tool which is nice.

Can anyone see ANY F tickets on the 5th-6th leaving from Any airport in the USA? I just cant imagine there being ZERO flights..which is why I was thinking I am doing something wrong with KVS when searching.

Im trying to get 2 F tickets ( though would settle for Biz) Leaving late on May 5. Can leave anytime on the 6th as well and from any airport going to Asia. ( HKG or BKK)

Cant find any CX F, BA F, or AA F for 2x people. It seems to be lots early may from SFO-HKG. Even tried USA-EU-ASIA and couldnt find ANYTHING

Ideally I would like SFO-HKG. I am open to traveling "out of my way" to make it work.

AM I just simply using the KVS tool wrong?

Apr 24, 2014 | 6:24 pm

#6750

dkerr

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 1,158

Quote:

Originally Posted by themadsupra

CX generally open up awards closer to flight time. Right up to 24-48 hours before flights, so if you can hold out you may be okay. E.g. checking CX own website now for availability SFO-HKG using Asia miles there are two F seats available tomorrow (Friday) and also every day Sunday thru Friday next week. If you are trying to use other OneWorld airline miles (e.g. AA) then you might not see availability until 24-48 hours before... E.g. Award Nexus shows (via BA and QF) two seats in F available for tomorrow (Friday CX 873 departs in 7 hours!!) but none for Sunday -- wait til Saturday and CX 879 may well show availability as it is F4 for revenue seats (CX 873 is F0 on Sunday, so it won't open up)

DAK