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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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Jul 9, 2005, 2:00 pm

#451

Rejuvenated

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Dec 2003

Posts: 13,145

Thanks for all your wonderful work! ^

Jul 9, 2005, 2:10 pm

#452

PreferBulkhead

Join Date: Dec 2002

Location: YYZ at this time

Programs: ACMM / Altitude S100K / HH Diamond

Posts: 6,285

Ongoing thanks ... it has made my life h*ll

as I spend time checking for the perfect fare

(just kidding) .. thanks in 1.4.4F for remembering the size of the KVS panel from prev invocations too.

Jul 9, 2005, 2:16 pm

#453

airbus320

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Mar 2000

Location: Southern Alberta

Posts: 20,550

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Now that the Tool thread has been moved over to the TravelBuzz! forum, just wanted to let everyone know that Version 1.4.4 of the KVS Availability Tool is now available for download -- see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...52#post4292852 for What's New.

Thanks for the update. Please continue to let us know when we should upgrade our versions.

Jul 9, 2005, 6:03 pm

#454

infoworks

Join Date: Apr 2005

Location: Sydney, Australia (from time to time)

Programs: QF-LTS & P, SQ-TPPS, IC-RA, HH-D, *wood G, Others

Posts: 1,729

A great tool, getting better...thanks...

Jul 9, 2005, 6:08 pm

#455

PreferBulkhead

Join Date: Dec 2002

Location: YYZ at this time

Programs: ACMM / Altitude S100K / HH Diamond

Posts: 6,285

Quote:

Originally Posted by infoworks

A great tool, getting better...thanks...

I think it was a great utility from day 1.

BTW I think we need to remember that this is a tool that is done on his own time ... so we should continue to appreciate whatever KVS provides (IMHO) ... I have sent in a couple of "donations" to the cause but will not be able to for much longer as I have to enroll in an KVS-addiction program

(just kidding)

Jul 10, 2005, 10:51 am

#456

djjaguar64

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Oct 2001

Location: YYZ

Programs: A3&O6 Gold,IC AMB & HH Diamond

Posts: 14,132

I think Andrew Yiu would have a possible answer, that is if he is allowed divulge why.

Jul 10, 2005, 12:28 pm

#457

FlyerGoldII

Join Date: Sep 2000

Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum

Posts: 9,580

I still use the Carlson Wagonlit ITN fare tool, through FT. I have not (yet) registered for the KVS tool.

As indicated elsewhere, I enter an overseas segment, connecting with a domestic segment. Then, the "I" bucket fare does show up. For example, I was entering YYZ -Beijing. Some of the YYZ-YVR flights displayed were of the previous night, to the YVR-Beijing flight. In this way, for Wednesday, I found out that there was no "I" availability on AC 1163, but there was I9 availability on AC 151 (before we took 3 of the upgrades, yesterday).

However, I could not force ITN to show me "I" availability on AC 124 between YYC and YOW (I did find the availability on the connecting AC 214 from YVR to YYC) - on July 20 (I am coming back then), or July 27 (my wife/daughter are coming back then) - but I bought the tickets anyways because - those flights on Wednesdays had the cheapest tango plus fares of any individual flights/flight combinations on those 2 days, and ITN was showing J9C9 availability, so I guessed that the "I" availability would be high.

The question is whether one can estimate the "I" availability based on J,C, and (perhaps) various economy cabin fare bucket availabilities?

Jul 10, 2005, 1:00 pm

#458

Rejuvenated

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Dec 2003

Posts: 13,145

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

In the light of the recent changes having to do with availability of the I class, I thought it would be a good idea to start a dedicated thread that would deal specifically with issues relating to AC booking classes displayed/not displayed and other AC-related availability issues.

AC Booking Classes Displayed by this Tool (AC Award/Upgrade classes are in green):
- Apollo: ITN/CWT
  - J C Y M U B R H K V N Q G L P A E T I (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A R K N G P E T I (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Amadeus: AUA/*A
  - J C Y M U B R H K V N Q G L P A E T I (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A R K N G P E T I (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Sabre: ITN/AXP
  - J C Y M U B R H K V N Q G L (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A R K N (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Galileo
  - A B C E G H I J K L M N P Q R T U V Y (Domestic)
  - A B C E G H I J K L M N P Q R T U V Y (Transborder)
  - B C H I J L M N Q V Y (Intl)
- Worldspan: ITN/CWT
  - J C Y M U B H V N Q G L P A E T (Domestic)
  - J C Y M U B H V Q L A N G P E T (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)
- Apollo: ITN/UA
  - F C Y B M H E U Q V W S T K (Domestic)
  - F C Y B M H E U Q V W S T K (Transborder)
  - J C Y M B H V Q L N I (Intl)

Please continue to use the KVS Availability Tool main thread for all other issues/questions/comments that do not deal specifically with AC.

Thanks!

Jul 13, 2005, 6:18 pm

#459

KVS

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Original Poster

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,949

Just a quick reminder to all existing users of the Tool who may still be using outdated versions (i.e. earlier than V1.4.4) to upgrade as the previous version will expire in a few days.

Jul 13, 2005, 8:56 pm

#460

ReluctantCanadian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Programs: AC*SE

Posts: 453

Wondering if the tool is displaying data for these flights correctly. I thought it looked odd that my upcoming flight (AC 862) was showing *9 for every fare class. I went to Air Canada and tried to price a 'lowest economy' fare for this flight, and sure enough it came back with a B fare as the lowest. Any suggestions? All I'm concerned about is being able to upgrade two H fares.

[KVS Availability Tool - Apollo: ITN/CWT]

Code:

YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
WED  20 Jul 2005

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------------------- 
AC        868    YYZ  08:50     LHR  21:05     763  0  J0 C0 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I0
AC        856    YYZ  18:15     LHR  06:25 +1  343  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q8 L8 N8 I9
AC        862    YYZ  19:15     LHR  07:30 +1  333  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        848    YYZ  20:15     LHR  08:35 +1  343  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        858    YYZ  22:15     LHR  10:30 +1  333  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        414    YYZ  14:00     YUL  15:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7
AC        106    YYZ  15:00     YUL  16:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7
AC        418    YYZ  16:00     YUL  17:10     767  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K1 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7
AC        420    YYZ  17:00     YUL  18:10     333  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7
AC        460    YYZ  17:10     YOW  18:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N2 K9 U9 A0 R9 I8 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        436    YYZ  17:30     YUL  18:40     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7
AC        422    YYZ  18:00     YUL  19:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:45     LHR  07:30 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N2 I7
AC        462    YYZ  18:10     YOW  19:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        1188   YYZ  18:30     YUL  19:40     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I8 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    866    YUL  22:30     LHR  10:15 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        424    YYZ  19:00     YUL  20:10     767  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L8 N9 K9 U9 A0 R9 I9 G9 E0 T0 P8
 -> AC    866    YUL  22:30     LHR  10:15 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        172    YYZ  19:10     YOW  20:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R0 I9 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        426    YYZ  20:00     YUL  21:10     763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L0 N9 K9 U9 A0 R9 I6 G9 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    866    YUL  22:30     LHR  10:15 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        466    YYZ  20:10     YOW  21:10     320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0 N0 K0 U9 A0 R9 I0 G0 E0 T0 P0
 -> AC    888    YOW  23:20     LHR  11:05 +1  763  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N9 I9
AC        840    YYZ  22:15     MAN  10:05 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 I9
 -> AC/BD 6676   MAN  14:20 +1  LHR  15:20 +1  321  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0
AC        842    YYZ  22:45     GLA  10:15 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 I9
 -> AC/BD 6624   GLA  13:20 +1  LHR  14:40 +1  321  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9
AC        842    YYZ  22:45     GLA  10:15 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 I9
 -> AC/BD 6628   GLA  15:15 +1  LHR  16:35 +1  320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9
AC        816    YYZ  22:55     AMS  12:20 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N5 I9
 -> AC/BD 6689   AMS  13:45 +1  LHR  14:00 +1  320  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q0 L0
AC        816    YYZ  22:55     AMS  12:20 +1  767  0  S9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 N5 I9
 -> AC/BD 6691   AMS  15:30 +1  LHR  15:40 +1  319  0  J9 C9 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V0 Q0 L0

Jul 13, 2005, 9:25 pm

#461

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ReluctantCanadian

While the Worldspan/ITN/CWT method is not always reliable (compared to other methods available in the FULL version of the Tool), in this particular case, AC is reporting the same data (9s in all booking classes) across all other GDS systems. Therefore, the Tool is displaying the data correctly.

BTW, the seat map is currently showing 36/41 seats available for assignment in the C-cabin, so your upgrade chances are looking very good...

Jul 13, 2005, 9:30 pm

#462

ReluctantCanadian

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Great, thanks for the swift reply. I do have the full version, and did also try other methods -- Worldspan just happened to be the one I pasted into my message. I think I might have just realized why the AC site was only showing a B fare -- I also selected my return date (August 3rd), which has nothing below a Y fare, and I think you can't combine a Y with anything below a B? So, probably my mistake.

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Originally Posted by KVS

Jul 13, 2005, 9:49 pm

#463

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Originally Posted by ReluctantCanadian

I think I might have just realized why the AC site was only showing a B fare -- I also selected my return date (August 3rd), which has nothing below a Y fare, and I think you can't combine a Y with anything below a B?

If I am not mistaken, it's the other way around -- discount-Y fares can't be combined with higher fares.

Jul 13, 2005, 10:05 pm

#464

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This Saturday YYZ YVR there is a 6:30am (1161) flight and a 6:40am (103) flight. On Monday when I wanted to change my flight to 1161 and then upgrade, I went to check KVS (Apollo: ITN/CWT) and it showed all flights except for 1161. Then I refreshed and it popped up. Then I refreshed again and it disappeared but yet all other flights for the day showed up. So I thought, whatever. I called the SE desk and asked for my flight to be changed to the very first flight of the day and the agent responds "I have a 6:40am as the first flight of the day"... and I was like "uh, isn't there a 6:30am flight 1161???" and she was like "I don't see it... oh wait... there it is...!"

So my question is, what's up with 1161 this Saturday? And why does AC have a 6:30am and a 6:40am YYZ YVR?

Shout out to RC for his 100th post!

Jul 13, 2005, 11:08 pm

#465

ReluctantCanadian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yyznomad

Shout out to RC for his 100th post!

Thank you. I realized that I was posting a lot today -- honestly it wasn't to get over that 100 mark...