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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
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M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
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https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
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You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

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When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Jul 22, 2011 | 3:33 pm

#4261

heckenhocker

Join Date: Dec 2008

Location: Cham CH

Posts: 1,644

Thanks KVS...neat tool btw

Jul 23, 2011 | 5:23 pm

#4262

thehowieee

Join Date: Feb 2008

Location: SAV

Programs: ??????????

Posts: 963

KVS Now Showing DL X/Z & V/G classes ???

[KVS Availability Tool 6.3.0.R1/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]

Code:

LGA  New York La Guardia NY US [KLGA]
ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
SUN  24 Jul 2011

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------
DL         461     LGA   06:00     ATL   08:28     757      J8 C8 D7 I7 S6 X4 Z2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 E9
DL         1547    LGA   07:00     ATL   09:29     738      F1 P0 A0 V0 G0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 E9
DL         2047    LGA   08:00     ATL   10:35     757      F9 P8 A8 V7 G6 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U0 T0 E0
DL         1747    LGA   09:00     ATL   11:40     757      F9 P9 A9 V9 G9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U0 T0 E0
DL         1847    LGA   10:00     ATL   12:37     757      F0 P0 A0 V0 G0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L6 U4 T0 E0
DL         1647    LGA   11:00     ATL   13:35     M88      F2 P2 A1 V0 G0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K8 L2 U0 T0 E0
DL         1947    LGA   12:00     ATL   14:37     M88      F2 P1 A1 V0 G0 Y9 B8 M6 H5 Q4 K3 L1 U1 T0 E0
DL         781     LGA   13:00     ATL   15:31     757      J0 C0 D0 I0 S0 X0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q8 K6 L3 U2 T0 E0
DL         695     LGA   14:00     ATL   16:40     M88      J2 C2 D1 I1 S1 X0 Z0 Y4 B1 M0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 E0
DL         2347    LGA   14:59     ATL   17:36     757      F0 P0 A0 V0 G0 Y8 B7 M5 H3 Q2 K1 L0 U0 T0 E0
DL         1499    LGA   16:00     ATL   18:44     757      F2 P1 A1 V0 G0 Y6 B4 M2 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 E0
DL         61      LGA   17:00     ATL   19:40     757      J3 C3 D1 I1 S1 X0 Z0 Y5 B3 M1 H1 Q1 K0 L0 U0 T0 E0

Jul 25, 2011 | 5:14 am

#4263

hnewman

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: Mesilla, NM

Programs: DL DM 4.7 MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium AA PL Not chasing status Retired!

Posts: 2,777

Can this be added?

I am DL DM and my wife is GM. When traveling on points sometimes we have to split the reservations as only 1 seat is available in low. I have about 8 reservations that I check regularly but about 3 I need to check GM availability rather than DM even though they are all booked on my points. Can you put in an option for each reservation to log in with different FF#/Name and pin rather than a global login.

Thanks

Henry

Jul 25, 2011 | 9:38 am

#4264

bob1976

Join Date: Feb 2011

Location: italy

Programs: ba bronze

Posts: 50

kvs searching fare

Hi guys,

sorry if the question is stupid but i'm trying the software and i'm wondering if i'm using it in the right way.

i'm looking for fare with one world carrier for a flight MXP-SYD around january next year.

i put in this information

[KVS Availability Tool 6.3.0.R2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/ES]

Code:

MXP  Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
R/T  20 Jan 2012 | 10 Feb 2012 | Business

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
BA         MIL     SYD      4046   EUR                      DFFJSA
QF         MIL     SYD      4046   EUR                      DFFITA
BA         MIL     SYD      5210   EUR                      CFFJSA
QF         MIL     SYD      5210   EUR                      CFFITA
BA         MIL     SYD      5983   EUR                      JFFJSA
QF         MIL     SYD      5983   EUR                      JRT

why no cathay flight is shown??
if i search only for cathay i can find only a fare of 9330 EUR but on their site i found a fare of EUR 3.102,92 same date.

[KVS Availability Tool 6.3.0.R2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/ES]

Code:

MXP  Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
R/T  20 Jan 2012 | 10 Feb 2012 | Business

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX         MIL     SYD      9330   EUR                      JRT

am i doing something wrong?

Thanks again for your help,

Bye

Bob

Jul 26, 2011 | 9:04 am

#4265

KVS

Original Poster

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by hnewman

It is likely that DL only has one 'set' of Elite Award Availability that applies across all Elite tiers, so there should be no difference regardless of which account you use.

Last edited by KVS; Jul 26, 2011 at 9:11 am

Jul 26, 2011 | 9:23 am

#4266

KVS

Original Poster

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob1976

Hi guys,

sorry if the question is stupid but i'm trying the software and i'm wondering if i'm using it in the right way.

No problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob1976

i'm looking for fare with one world carrier for a flight MXP-SYD around january next year.

i put in this information

why no cathay flight is shown??

if i search only for cathay i can find only a fare of 9330 EUR

It's a 'quirk' of the [Fares/DotRes] Method -- it does not always show Fares on carriers that are not the 'obvious choices' for a route, unless an Airline Code is explicitly specified.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob1976

but on their site i found a fare of EUR 3.102,92 same date.

CX must be using private/unpublished Fares on their site (or a combination of 2 or more Fares).

Jul 26, 2011 | 10:09 am

#4267

hnewman

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: Mesilla, NM

Programs: DL DM 4.7 MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium AA PL Not chasing status Retired!

Posts: 2,777

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

It is likely that DL only has one 'set' of Elite Award Availability that applies across all Elite tiers, so there should be no difference regardless of which account you use.

Sorry not true given what DL told me. I used the KVS and found a single low award and tried to give it to here. They told me that the availability was available for DM only not PM or GM.

Jul 26, 2011 | 11:01 am

#4268

hnewman

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: Mesilla, NM

Programs: DL DM 4.7 MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium AA PL Not chasing status Retired!

Posts: 2,777

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

It is likely that DL only has one 'set' of Elite Award Availability that applies across all Elite tiers, so there should be no difference regardless of which account you use.

Here is an update logged in as me:

MON 07 May 2012 | 1 Seat | SM Status: Diamond

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Information
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------
DL/XJ 2537 MSY 07:20 MSP 10:10 CR9 0 Dur: 02:50 | SM: 12.5K+2 USD
</pre>

And logged in as her:

MON 07 May 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Information
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------
DL/XJ 2537 MSY 07:20 MSP 10:10 CR9 0 Dur: 02:50 | SM: 20K+2 USD
</pre>

I called Delta and they told me the same thing

Jul 26, 2011 | 11:31 am

#4269

KVS

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FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by hnewman

Sorry not true given what DL told me. I used the KVS and found a single low award and tried to give it to here. They told me that the availability was available for DM only not PM or GM.

In that case, one solution would be to use different DL SM credentials on each of your 2 machines, where you have the KVS Tool installed.

Jul 26, 2011 | 12:33 pm

#4270

hnewman

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: Mesilla, NM

Programs: DL DM 4.7 MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium AA PL Not chasing status Retired!

Posts: 2,777

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

In that case, one solution would be to use different DL SM credentials on each of your 2 machines, where you have the KVS Tool installed.

I only have 1 computer with KVS installed (I have a second installation but that is for a computer we only use on vacation and is at home while I am on business travel) hence why I asked for the feature change.

Henry

Jul 27, 2011 | 3:30 am

#4271

stifle

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Feb 2009

Location: From ORK, live LCY

Programs: BA Silver, M&M*G, HH Gold, ABP, Seigneur des Horaires des Mucci

Posts: 14,915

How do you get login details for the mobile KVS tool, having registered and paid? There's a checkbox for "I only want access to the mobile tool" but not for "I want mobile access and PC access".

Jul 27, 2011 | 7:02 am

#4272

jasonvr

Join Date: Feb 2005

Location: So Cal

Programs: UA 1K/0.828MM, WN ALP, Hyatt Diamond, MR Gold, Hertz PC, National Exec, Avis PC,AA Gold

Posts: 5,666

Quote:

Originally Posted by stifle

How do you get login details for the mobile KVS tool, having registered and paid? There's a checkbox for "I only want access to the mobile tool" but not for "I want mobile access and PC access".

Mobile login info should be in the email you received with your Diamond registration details (mobile companion is only with Diamond). It is under the heading [KVS Tool Mobile Companion Access]

At least that is how it was for me

Jul 27, 2011 | 11:51 am

#4273

economyplusfan

Join Date: Dec 2010

Location: DEN

Programs: UA 1K

Posts: 800

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarusoba

No, unfortunately. You can't even compete with them. Even if there was a seat in business class available after all of them were cleared, if I class doesn't open up, you still can't use your points to upgrade.

Does I class ever open up in AC?

I have been looking for weeks for CS+ on KVS for AC flights to and from Europe. Nada. Even AC flights that depart two days from now and that have 50% of the J class seats unoccupied still show no I class availability. Is the "Buy a Latitude fare and upgrade using Star Alliance" just blowing smoke as far as AC is concerned? Has anyone had success with this?

Jul 27, 2011 | 12:11 pm

#4274

jarusoba

Join Date: May 2007

Location: YYZ, but my heart is in Asia

Programs: AC-SE, CX-DM, DL-G, Hyatt-DM, Hilton-DM, Fairmont-Plt, Marriott-S, Accor-Plt, SPG-G, IHG-Plt

Posts: 4,396

Quote:

Originally Posted by economyplusfan

Does I class ever open up in AC?

Yes, but very very rarely.

They don't even open up R class for god's sake!

Yes, you are right. The is no reason of buying Latitude fare with the hope of upgrading with points.

Jul 27, 2011 | 3:25 pm

#4275

economyplusfan

Join Date: Dec 2010

Location: DEN

Programs: UA 1K

Posts: 800

This is an interesting "bias" against non-Aeroplan members. If I were an Aeroplan member with 6 AC eupgrades I could upgrade my whole September itinerary LHR-YOW-YYZ-DEN right now, as I have a Latitude fare and KVS is showing that R space is available on each leg. I wouldn't even need to be an elite member at the moment with AC; I would only need to have 6 eupgrades in the bank. But as a *A member, I am not allowed to upgrade using the stated 25,000 miles. Heck, I could be a UA GS or 1K, and it wouldn't help to make the award available. So the bottom line is that while Air Canada has joined into the *A upgrade network, it is still heavily protecting upgrades for its Aeroplan members against invaders from other programs.