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JIMCHI Sep 8, 2015 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396773)
I understood how KVS was extracting the information. But, it didn't cross my mind that a paid tool would be so simplistic in its delivery. Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table? Why go through the trouble of forcing the user to manually open seven instances of the tool? There's no way to have the tool to automatically search every day of the week? That doesn't seem reasonable.

It finds the first instance of award availability over a 7 day period. Expert Flyer does the same thing over just a 3 day period, but doesn't show it in a 'nice little table". It just shows it in a linear fashion, one day at a time, but it does show availability over the 3 day period. For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool. Perhaps some other sites do this ???

KVS Sep 9, 2015 2:31 am


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396726)
@KVS
Thank you for your prompt and detailed replies.

You're welcome.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396726)
If I search for seven days and on the first day there's an available seat, then the multi-day search tool doesn't actually search multiple days.

If there is already desired Availability on a specific date, then there is no need to use the [Power Search].

The [Power Search] function is designed to make it easy to locate difficult-to-locate Awards, not provide a long list of easily-locatable ones (which can be found using a regular search).


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396773)
Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table?

A single day search can return as many as 100 different flight options. Combining the results across a 31-day period would result in "a nice little table" with 3000+ flights.

As noted previously, the [Award Calendar] is a completely different function and is currently supported by some Engines (including [Awards/AC-StarAlliance]).


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25396773)
Why go through the trouble of forcing the user to manually open seven instances of the tool?

If you would like to work with multiple dates simultaneously, you would need to open the corresponding number of instances of the KVS Tool.

onlysuites Sep 9, 2015 4:16 am

KVS been a long subscriber and a fan of your tool but have had to recently stop using it due to moving over to a Mac. Yes I know I can use crossover but that just adds on cost and effort.

Do let me know if you ever do a mac version.

IMH Sep 9, 2015 7:43 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25396850)
For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool.

That may be so.

At what price point (A) x years on the market (B) x average number of paying customers (C) would it be reasonable to expect a moderately sophisticated tool? We know A and B. Even very conservative assumptions about C yield dollar figures that would pay for many, many hours of coding and product development.

Ducati Sep 9, 2015 4:05 pm


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25396850)
It finds the first instance of award availability over a 7 day period. Expert Flyer does the same thing over just a 3 day period, but doesn't show it in a 'nice little table". It just shows it in a linear fashion, one day at a time, but it does show availability over the 3 day period. For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool. Perhaps some other sites do this ???

Nice little table or a run-on sentence...doesn't really matter as long as the results are on a single screen. EF does return the results in a manner that makes sense.

And if memory serves me correctly, Expert Flyer shows availability over seven days, not three. You choose a date and select +/- three days. Maybe it's changed; I haven't used it in a very long time.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 25397815)

Originally Posted by Ducati
Is it unreasonable to assume that the tool should search seven days (each day in sequential order) and return those results in a nice little table?

A single day search can return as many as 100 different flight options. Combining the results across a 31-day period would result in "a nice little table" with 3000+ flights.

As noted previously, the [Award Calendar] is a completely different function and is currently supported by some Engines (including [Awards/AC-StarAlliance]).

Yes and a single day search can return as little as one flight. I would surmise that a single flight option is far more common than a result that had 100+ flights. Can't see why a paid tool couldn't limit the search results to something like ten per day for a seven-day period. That's only seventy. Not unreasonable at all.


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 25398787)

Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25396850)
For what you pay KVS you can't expect a highly sophisticated tool. Perhaps some other sites do this ???

That may be so.

At what price point (A) x years on the market (B) x average number of paying customers (C) would it be reasonable to expect a moderately sophisticated tool? We know A and B. Even very conservative assumptions about C yield dollar figures that would pay for many, many hours of coding and product development.

^ It's not like KVS just came out.

LifeTimeBronze Sep 9, 2015 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 25398047)
KVS been a long subscriber and a fan of your tool but have had to recently stop using it due to moving over to a Mac. Yes I know I can use crossover but that just adds on cost and effort.

Do let me know if you ever do a mac version.

See post #535

I've searched buit cannot find an answer.
What do codes L & C mean in this:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/...psr13xp4nf.png

KVS Sep 9, 2015 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by LifeTimeBronze (Post 25402818)
I've searched buit cannot find an answer.
What do codes L & C mean in this:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/...psr13xp4nf.png

Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting

Ducati Sep 10, 2015 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by nux (Post 25392911)

Originally Posted by Ducati
That would be no different than going to BA's website and clicking each day and waiting for the results. I was thinking I would see a monthly calendar with the available days, like with United's website.

You do know that this is exactly what KVS is doing in the background? It simply logs in to BA.com using your supplied details , performs the searches and scrapes the results to display. (Which is in violation of BA.com T&C's which could be used to terminate your BA account...)

If you're wanting to look for BA award availability, the BA.com calendar view (NOT the award map calendar) would be much quicker and accurate.

I just caught that part. Has anyone's account ever been shut down? My BA login and password stopped working on the tool, so I had to create another acct. This KVS tool is worse than I originally thought.

JIMCHI Sep 10, 2015 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25407586)
I just caught that part. Has anyone's account ever been shut down? My BA login and password stopped working on the tool, so I had to create another acct. This KVS tool is worse than I originally thought.

It has been reported that "excessive use" of BA.com access will result in you being locked out. <redacted by moderator>

Ducati Sep 11, 2015 5:45 pm

How do you get a refund? It doesn't work anymore on BA.

JIMCHI Sep 11, 2015 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25412306)
How do you get a refund? It doesn't work anymore on BA.

I just ran a BA search using KVS. It worked fine for me.

onlysuites Sep 12, 2015 3:43 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25412438)
I just ran a BA search using KVS. It worked fine for me.

To be honest I never faced any issues too.

KVS Sep 12, 2015 9:52 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI (Post 25412438)
I just ran a BA search using KVS. It worked fine for me.


Originally Posted by onlysuites (Post 25413616)
To be honest I never faced any issues too.

Indeed, the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method continues to function normally.

IncyWincy Sep 13, 2015 3:20 am

I have been using KVS for some time (thank you KVS!)

Just noticed that the BA oneworld award results are not right. Eg, searching HKG-LHR on 5 Dec 2015 returns 1 seat in CX 257, 1 in CX 239 and 3 in CX 253 all for business class, but calling BA and using BA website tells me there are no award business seats.

What is going on?

Thank you.

Ducati Sep 13, 2015 5:40 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 25397815)
If you would like to work with multiple dates simultaneously, you would need to open the corresponding number of instances of the KVS Tool.


Originally Posted by Ducati (Post 25412306)
How do you get a refund? It doesn't work anymore on BA.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 25414503)
Indeed, the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method continues to function normally.

So I was directed by you to open multiple instances of the tool, which caused my BA account to be locked as a result of conducting too many searches within a given time frame. No such disclaimer or warnings about such possibilities of a frequent flyer account lockout due to activity encouraged by you was given. But, according to you, everything is fine. Okay. :td:


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