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IMH Jan 30, 2020 1:05 am


Originally Posted by pone66 (Post 32011032)
Is that query feature you reference something that is only exposed to a paying account?

I believe so, yes. You can explore what EF offers with a free trial subscription -- just don't start the very short test period (five days) until you know you'll have time to 'play' a little.

Globaliser Jan 30, 2020 3:31 am


Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 32009874)
There has been no change ...

Thanks for the confirmation about this.

kross123 Feb 1, 2020 11:35 am

Is there a way to setup a flight alert for an airline that has not posted up their christmas schedule? I am trying to book a flight to Hawaii around Christmas on westjet but they have not released their flights. I was hoping to use expert flyer for notifications the second the flights are available.

I have a pro membership but recieve error messages anytime I try to set this up.

ExpertFlyer Voice Feb 1, 2020 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by kross123 (Post 32020792)
Is there a way to setup a flight alert for an airline that has not posted up their christmas schedule? I am trying to book a flight to Hawaii around Christmas on westjet but they have not released their flights. I was hoping to use expert flyer for notifications the second the flights are available.

I have a pro membership but recieve error messages anytime I try to set this up.

Correct you can't create an alert for a flight that doesn't exist yet.

tbrein Feb 8, 2020 2:36 pm

I booked a flight through AMEX travel using points. Today I was notified that the flight schedule changed by AMEX. I then checked the Delta website to confirm the change. I went back over my emails to make sure I didn't miss the alert from EF informing me of the schedule change. There was none. The EF website Is still showing the old schedule for the flight DL 1664 on Oct. 20, 2020.

Globaliser Feb 9, 2020 4:32 am


Originally Posted by tbrein (Post 32048852)
I booked a flight through AMEX travel using points. Today I was notified that the flight schedule changed by AMEX. I then checked the Delta website to confirm the change. I went back over my emails to make sure I didn't miss the alert from EF informing me of the schedule change. There was none. The EF website Is still showing the old schedule for the flight DL 1664 on Oct. 20, 2020.

Have you tried other sources to see what the current schedule of the flight actually is? It would be odd for a GDS to show different departure and arrival times from those displayed by the operating airline, and AIUI EF shows information pulled live from a GDS.

The other thing that I wonder is whether there's been some glitch caused by the fact that DL1664 appears to operate both JFK-JAX and JAX-JFK - has something got confused about the directionality?

oruvin Feb 14, 2020 3:50 am

Something weird happening with EF.

Award availability CUN-LGW Jan 2021 shows as 0 every day, no alerts arrived, but in fact, there are lots available. Paying a premium for what?

Expertflyer website - 0 available, Rewardflightfinder website - flights available, BA website - flights available, BA call - flights available.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2c0a3f3664.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...847a7aacb4.png
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...062cfd8002.png

ExpertFlyer Voice Feb 14, 2020 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by oruvin (Post 32070937)
Something weird happening with EF.

Award availability CUN-LGW Jan 2021 shows as 0 every day, no alerts arrived, but in fact, there are lots available. Paying a premium for what?

Expertflyer website - 0 available, Rewardflightfinder website - flights available, BA website - flights available, BA call - flights available.

As Rewardflightfinder just scrapes from BA.com so there won't be any difference between the two. If you try to find the inventory on a partner airline website you'll find you can't. In fact Qantas, for example, just returns an error. It's likely BA isn't publishing the inventory correctly and when they do it will be reflected on EF as well.

If you have further questions about specific searches you should email us directly at [email protected] we didn't see that you did.

oruvin Feb 17, 2020 1:14 pm

Few days later, ExpertFlyer still doesn't work properly. It's not my (customer's) business how you fetching the data, for me it only matters if the service is working or not. The fact is - service is not working as advertised. Any random excuse will go, but from the customer's point of view, it's irrelevant - advertised service is not being provided.


Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 32073420)
As Rewardflightfinder just scrapes from BA.com so there won't be any difference between the two.

If it gives the right result for customer, why can't you do the same?


Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 32073420)
If you try to find the inventory on a partner airline website you'll find you can't. In fact Qantas, for example, just returns an error. It's likely BA isn't publishing the inventory correctly and when they do it will be reflected on EF as well.

You are wrong. AA website is returning correct availability. It's a partner airline, right? EF still returns 0. (Good try with Qantas, though).
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f9f2b10ce4.png
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...97d6f3a735.png


Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 32073420)
If you have further questions about specific searches you should email us directly at [email protected] we didn't see that you did.

Thanks for pointing what should I do. <redacted by moderator>.

I have no intention sending emails to you, as it won't help me at all (you already showed your type of excuse that would have been used).

This is an open forum to share users experience. And this is the key point of this post - to share the experience with EF and warn other users that EF is not as good as it is advertised, especially for paid services.

If you'd want to discuss this issue further with me, feel free to send a PM. Thanks.

ExpertFlyer Voice Feb 17, 2020 3:04 pm


Originally Posted by oruvin (Post 32082827)
If you'd want to discuss this issue further with me, feel free to send a PM. Thanks.

<redacted by moderator>

If you don't want to understand how our system works, that's fine, but then don't pretend you know how it works better than we do. We gave the Qantas example to point out that there is an issue with how BA is publishing the award inventory, which happens from time to time. Part of understanding airline data is understanding that it's not like reading a book, there isn't a black and white answer to questions sometimes, we wish it was that easy.

Second, we ask you to email us directly so we know who you are and can lookup (and replicate) the exact search you did via your EF account, not because we're trying to get the conversation off the thread or create more work for you or whatever other reason you came up with, it's the best way for us to communicate with our customers properly. If you would like to email us for further help, where we can show you how the BA data is correct when published, then we will be glad to help you.

-EFV

oruvin Feb 19, 2020 4:20 am

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Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 32083189)
If you don't want to understand how our system works, that's fine, but then don't pretend you know how it works better than we do. We gave the Qantas example to point out that there is an issue with how BA is publishing the award inventory, which happens from time to time. Part of understanding airline data is understanding that it's not like reading a book, there isn't a black and white answer to questions sometimes, we wish it was that easy.

In general, I understand how your system works, and I don't need details. And I'm not even trying to pretend I know it's better than you (lol). The thing is - your system doesn't work good enough, and this is the statement from the customers point of view. Those particular flights availability is returned properly with BA, AA, RFF and KVS (just got a PM from them), but not with EF. Instead of trying to fix your system - the way you fetch data, the way you analyze different sources (if you have different sources at all), the way you provide results etc etc (I have no details, you are right) - instead of that you just blaming somebody else.


Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice (Post 32083189)
Second, we ask you to email us directly so we know who you are and can lookup (and replicate) the exact search you did via your EF account, not because we're trying to get the conversation off the thread or create more work for you or whatever other reason you came up with, it's the best way for us to communicate with our customers properly. If you would like to email us for further help, where we can show you how the BA data is correct when published, then we will be glad to help you.

-EFV

So far all you help was - excuses and blaming. Oh, and <redacted> that you "won't help anymore". I think I can live without all this kind of help. If you'd be able to fix (or improve) your system, you'd do it already, isn't it. Anyway, the whole point of my posts here is NOT to get help from you (as you cannot provide any help regarding this particular issue), but to let other users know of your system's flaws. We share our experience - and my experience is that EF is not working the way it is advertised.

TWA884 Feb 19, 2020 9:28 am

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ExpertFlyer Voice Feb 19, 2020 11:57 am


Originally Posted by oruvin (Post 32088991)
We share our experience - and my experience is that EF is not working the way it is advertised.

In the time it took you to write your reply, you could have done the search and seen that our information vendor has fixed the issue:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0481664eee.png


We are indeed happy for everyone to see how dedicated we are to customer service and making sure EF is the best experience possible. You're welcome.

capedreamer Feb 20, 2020 3:34 pm

As my previous few posts illustrate, the discrepancy between EF and Air Canada's availability seems to be happening more often.

Here's my latest experience:


Originally Posted by capedreamer (Post 32094865)
This seems to be happening more and more with AC.

AC756 on 3/22. EF shows: J9 C9 D9 Z6 P6 R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 G9 S4 T0 L0 A0 K0

I've tried multiple points of sale (US, Canada, Europe) and asked about further advancement (SFO-YYZ vs. SFO-YYZ-AMS), and multiple AC agents all insist they see nothing below D in all cases.

Any ideas?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...925a647f7a.png

EDIT: Mystery solved. This seems to be an AC issue (their internal systems aren't speaking to each other). Details here:


Originally Posted by capedreamer (Post 32095016)
I am able to see P fare on AC.com. Got another Concierge agent on the phone. Initially, he gave me the same line about his system showing no availability below D. I asked him first to confirm that (1) P space is sufficient to confirm an upgrade from B and (2) he also see the P availability on AC.com.

At first, he said 'yes' to #1 but 'no' to #2 , and insisted that I needed to clear my cache and cookies, blah blah. After much back and forth, he realized he was looking at Feb 22 instead of Mar 22. Then he confirmed he also see P space on AC.com called the NRD and got the upgrade confirmed in 2 minutes.

This is insane. No 'normal' customer should be expected to go to these lengths to receive something they're rightfully owed.

Thanks for all the help, [MENTION=759220]Adam Smith[/MENTION] and [MENTION=599574]canadiancow[/MENTION].

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ExpertFlyer Voice Feb 20, 2020 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by capedreamer (Post 32094929)
EDIT: Mystery solved. This seems to be an AC issue (their internal systems aren't speaking to each other). Details here:
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Unfortunately this happens way too often, ExpertFlyer just shows what the airline is publishing in the reservation system.


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