Apple iPhone...
Oct 1, 2007 | 12:27 am
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Hack for what? I've been watching Hackint0sh and haven't seen any mention of anything new ... people have found ways to roll-back to the previous release (the OS code, but not the low-level phone related firmware), but their phone connectivity is still broken.
I did see someones conjecture that iTunes was using signed firmware with the iPod touches, and likely the same with the new iPhone release. If that is so, I think iPhone hacking on the latest and greatest firmware really will be hosed except for the most dedicated (and I wouldn't count myself in the dedicated). Apple has expertise in per-device DRM content protection, and treating the firmware similarly shouldn't be a big leap. If all else fails, it would cost Apple less than $1 in HW to add a TPM to the iPhone at which point they could guarantee themselves the phones would stay locked (barring HW mods).
I'm an architect for a popular embedded system and we've long considered using signed firmware images for integrity and feature activation licensing. We are big business, but thankfully don't have nearly the same visibility or interest as an iPhone. The effort hackers are putting into breaking into the devices, with no expectations of monetary gain, is worrisome though, since it isn't any different than what organized professionals out to make money could be doing.
I did see someones conjecture that iTunes was using signed firmware with the iPod touches, and likely the same with the new iPhone release. If that is so, I think iPhone hacking on the latest and greatest firmware really will be hosed except for the most dedicated (and I wouldn't count myself in the dedicated). Apple has expertise in per-device DRM content protection, and treating the firmware similarly shouldn't be a big leap. If all else fails, it would cost Apple less than $1 in HW to add a TPM to the iPhone at which point they could guarantee themselves the phones would stay locked (barring HW mods).
I'm an architect for a popular embedded system and we've long considered using signed firmware images for integrity and feature activation licensing. We are big business, but thankfully don't have nearly the same visibility or interest as an iPhone. The effort hackers are putting into breaking into the devices, with no expectations of monetary gain, is worrisome though, since it isn't any different than what organized professionals out to make money could be doing.
so i see this as completed?
dp
Oct 1, 2007 | 12:34 am
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Hack for what? I've been watching Hackint0sh and haven't seen any mention of anything new ... people have found ways to roll-back to the previous release (the OS code, but not the low-level phone related firmware), but their phone connectivity is still broken.
I did see someones conjecture that iTunes was using signed firmware with the iPod touches, and likely the same with the new iPhone release. If that is so, I think iPhone hacking on the latest and greatest firmware really will be hosed except for the most dedicated (and I wouldn't count myself in the dedicated). Apple has expertise in per-device DRM content protection, and treating the firmware similarly shouldn't be a big leap. If all else fails, it would cost Apple less than $1 in HW to add a TPM to the iPhone at which point they could guarantee themselves the phones would stay locked (barring HW mods).
I'm an architect for a popular embedded system and we've long considered using signed firmware images for integrity and feature activation licensing. We are big business, but thankfully don't have nearly the same visibility or interest as an iPhone. The effort hackers are putting into breaking into the devices, with no expectations of monetary gain, is worrisome though, since it isn't any different than what organized professionals out to make money could be doing.
I did see someones conjecture that iTunes was using signed firmware with the iPod touches, and likely the same with the new iPhone release. If that is so, I think iPhone hacking on the latest and greatest firmware really will be hosed except for the most dedicated (and I wouldn't count myself in the dedicated). Apple has expertise in per-device DRM content protection, and treating the firmware similarly shouldn't be a big leap. If all else fails, it would cost Apple less than $1 in HW to add a TPM to the iPhone at which point they could guarantee themselves the phones would stay locked (barring HW mods).
I'm an architect for a popular embedded system and we've long considered using signed firmware images for integrity and feature activation licensing. We are big business, but thankfully don't have nearly the same visibility or interest as an iPhone. The effort hackers are putting into breaking into the devices, with no expectations of monetary gain, is worrisome though, since it isn't any different than what organized professionals out to make money could be doing.
so i see this as completed?
dp
Oct 1, 2007 | 12:52 am
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The dumbest thing Apple could do was tie the phone to inferior AT&T. Fortunately the hackers have rectified that mistake
Apple will no doubt continue to try to update the phone locks - and they will continue to be hacked and broken. As the music and movie studios have learned, you can't lock your programs down (thank you DVD John).
After losing my Palm I was about to go out and buy a second-hand iPhone on craigslist this weekend (about $100 cheaper than ebay) but I located it so I now have the luxury of waiting for prices to drop further and upgraded features in version 2.0.
Oct 1, 2007 | 9:32 am
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There seem to be dozens of cheap Chinese phones out now all based on the same guts with the cheesy plastic "icon strip" across the bottom of the screen. The P168 is just the same thing stuffed into a box that looks kinda like the iPhone. I've seen the same thing gussied up like an N80 and N95, a P990, and a giant RAZR in Singapore.
Oct 1, 2007 | 10:16 am
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It only has 1Gb, the display on it is terrible, there is no multi-touch and it doesn't have a web browser.
Need I go on? The P168 is NOT comparable to an iPhone, not even close.
Oct 23, 2007 | 12:53 pm
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250,000 unlocked IPhones
From Fiercewireless...
What was interesting about Apple's earnings call was the iPhone. While the company is keeping mum on how much money they drew out of iPhone sales, they did own up to selling 1,119,000 phones in Q4 2007, bringing the total number of iPhones up to 1,389,000. By comparing the number of iPhones sold to the number of iPhones activated on AT&T's network, Apple was able to figure out how many unlocked devices exist in the wild: somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000. That's a huge number--representing almost 17 percent of all iPhones sold--and demonstrates that there's a very real demand for an unlocked iPhone.
What was interesting about Apple's earnings call was the iPhone. While the company is keeping mum on how much money they drew out of iPhone sales, they did own up to selling 1,119,000 phones in Q4 2007, bringing the total number of iPhones up to 1,389,000. By comparing the number of iPhones sold to the number of iPhones activated on AT&T's network, Apple was able to figure out how many unlocked devices exist in the wild: somewhere in the neighborhood of 250,000. That's a huge number--representing almost 17 percent of all iPhones sold--and demonstrates that there's a very real demand for an unlocked iPhone.
Oct 23, 2007 | 1:28 pm
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Oct 23, 2007 | 7:11 pm
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Revenue wise I suppose the effect is the same, but I highly doubt that entire difference between activated and not activated iPhones has been unlocked.
Oct 23, 2007 | 7:19 pm
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Who knows, maybe tying to one carrier in each country will come back to haunt them.
They may get sweetheart deals but it may hold sales down ultimately costing them marketshare against a company like RIMM, which is providing their product to every carrier they can.
They may get sweetheart deals but it may hold sales down ultimately costing them marketshare against a company like RIMM, which is providing their product to every carrier they can.
Oct 25, 2007 | 9:01 pm
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I didn't see a smiley, so.... Apple's fiscal 2007 ended Sept 30 (and hence their fiscal Q4).
There are 2 types of people, those who understand fiscal years, and those who don't.
(sorry, had to take a lighthearted jab given your sig . If you're not amused, my apologies)
There are 2 types of people, those who understand fiscal years, and those who don't.
(sorry, had to take a lighthearted jab given your sig
. If you're not amused, my apologies)
Last edited by omahajim; Oct 25, 2007 at 9:07 pm