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ScottC Jun 30, 2007 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by Vunder31 (Post 7983877)
Is that because of the iPhone being better than the K790 or AT&T's network being better than T-Mobile's?

If it's because of AT&T's network being better than T-Mobile, I don't see why that would cause praise for the iPhone.

Everything sounds better when you tell your friends you are calling on an iPhone. I've read reports that people have an easier time peeing now they have an iPhone. And their sense of smell has improved since they purchased it too.

It really is the wunderphone the world has been waiting for.

GadgetFreak Jun 30, 2007 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 7984265)
Everything sounds better when you tell your friends you are calling on an iPhone. I've read reports that people have an easier time peeing now they have an iPhone. And their sense of smell has improved since they purchased it too.

It really is the wunderphone the world has been waiting for.

I have heard that Pfizer profits will be softening as a result of the iPhone.

KMHT FF Jun 30, 2007 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by martona (Post 7983982)
It will work great for many people, but it will also be a source of a lot of frustration for others.

Is being out $600 for a glorified iPod one of them?

KMHT FF Jun 30, 2007 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 7984265)
I've read reports that people have an easier time peeing now they have an iPhone.

You're right, I need to relieve pressure on my prostate only twice a day now since I'm so fixated on just gawking at the iPhone.

Better get out of Kimberly-Clark stock - the impending decline in Kleenex's profits is going to drag the whole balance sheet down.

Vunder31 Jul 1, 2007 6:00 am


Originally Posted by Emma65 (Post 7984054)
I've read an article that said people while on the phone drive better than when they are not. Because they are aware of the distraction they keep a better eye on the traffic and what is going on around them.

There's plenty of evidence and studies to contradict the article you read.

"Several studies show cell phones are a leading cause of car crashes. It is estimated that cell phone distracted drivers are four times more likely to be in a car wreck. According to a Harvard University study, cell phones cause over 200 deaths and half a million injuries each year. "

http://www.car-accidents.com/cell_ph...accidents.html

"A new study confirms that the reaction time of cell phone users slows dramatically, increasing the risk of accidents and tying up traffic in general, and when young adults use cell phones while driving, they're as bad as sleepy septuagenarians."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895319/

"Psychological research is showing that when drivers use cell phones, whether hand-held or hands-off, their attention to the road drops and driving skills become even worse than if they had too much to drink. Epidemiological research has found that cell-phone use is associated with a four-fold increase in the odds of getting into an accident – a risk comparable to that of driving with blood alcohol at the legal limit. "

http://www.psychologymatters.org/driverdistract.html

"“If you put a 20-year-old driver behind the wheel with a cell phone, their reaction times are the same as a 70-year-old driver who is not using a cell phone. It’s like instantly aging a large number of drivers,” says David Strayer, a University of Utah psychology professor and principal author of the study."

http://web.utah.edu/unews/releases/0...ellphones.html

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=1278669

GadgetFreak Jul 1, 2007 8:05 am


Originally Posted by Vunder31 (Post 7985554)
There's plenty of evidence and studies to contradict the article you read.

"Several studies show cell phones are a leading cause of car crashes. It is estimated that cell phone distracted drivers are four times more likely to be in a car wreck. According to a Harvard University study, cell phones cause over 200 deaths and half a million injuries each year. "

http://www.car-accidents.com/cell_ph...accidents.html

"A new study confirms that the reaction time of cell phone users slows dramatically, increasing the risk of accidents and tying up traffic in general, and when young adults use cell phones while driving, they're as bad as sleepy septuagenarians."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895319/

"Psychological research is showing that when drivers use cell phones, whether hand-held or hands-off, their attention to the road drops and driving skills become even worse than if they had too much to drink. Epidemiological research has found that cell-phone use is associated with a four-fold increase in the odds of getting into an accident – a risk comparable to that of driving with blood alcohol at the legal limit. "

http://www.psychologymatters.org/driverdistract.html

"“If you put a 20-year-old driver behind the wheel with a cell phone, their reaction times are the same as a 70-year-old driver who is not using a cell phone. It’s like instantly aging a large number of drivers,” says David Strayer, a University of Utah psychology professor and principal author of the study."

http://web.utah.edu/unews/releases/0...ellphones.html

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=1278669

Yes, but these voluminous studies were done with regular cell phones. Just having an iPhone will make you a better driver.

iCorpRoadie Jul 1, 2007 8:20 am

Have botha 4gig and 8 gig still in box, just got iTunes 7.3 to install and work properly. If you were having hte -50 error, just delete all your video podcasts and that should work JUST FINE.

If anyone is in need of a 4gig before I put it on eBay, let me know. I think i want to keep the 8gig forsure now. I still have access to more 4 gig's if they are sold out in your neck of the woods.

Mikey likes it Jul 1, 2007 8:48 am


Originally Posted by Emma65 (Post 7984054)
I've read an article that said people while on the phone drive better than when they are not. Because they are aware of the distraction they keep a better eye on the traffic and what is going on around them.

LOL. If you believe that, you've not been paying attention on the road.

ScottC Jul 1, 2007 8:55 am


Originally Posted by Emma65 (Post 7984054)
I've read an article that said people while on the phone drive better than when they are not. Because they are aware of the distraction they keep a better eye on the traffic and what is going on around them.

Link to that article please? And please don't send us a link to the Onion...

Every time I'm on the road and see some dimwit swerve left and right, or drive 20 on a 50 road I see the damn phone up against their head.

I don't call much in the car, but when I do I use my handsfree carkit with voice dialing.

opus17 Jul 1, 2007 8:57 am


Originally Posted by iCorpRoadie (Post 7985968)

If anyone is in need of a 4gig before I put it on eBay, let me know. I think i want to keep the 8gig forsure now. I still have access to more 4 gig's if they are sold out in your neck of the woods.

Good luck with that, it looks like the eBay sellers are not even covering their costs right now.

uva185 Jul 1, 2007 9:13 am

Thank you for providing references. I would just like to note these articles seem to concentrate on how a conversation on a cell phone affects driving. None of the articles compare a cell phone conversation to a conversation with a passenger. I will also mention these articles indicate it is the actual conversation causing the accident, not the cell phone. You asked why I need to use my phone while driving, would it make a difference if I were calling an automated service where I would not be engaging in a conversation such as voice mail, weather service, stock quotes, or traffic updates?


Originally Posted by Vunder31 (Post 7985554)
"Several studies show cell phones are a leading cause of car crashes. It is estimated that cell phone distracted drivers are four times more likely to be in a car wreck. According to a Harvard University study, cell phones cause over 200 deaths and half a million injuries each year. "

http://www.car-accidents.com/cell_ph...accidents.html

Have you read the posting to this site. This is not a scientific study, it is a site allowing people who have been in accidents to submit their story and pictures. Several postings have nothing to do with cell phones and one "report" in particular notes a woman having 3 accidents, all her fault, none involving a cell phone. Another "report" says "I was heading to school when my phone rang I drop it went under my feet. I went to get it as I look up. BAM I slam into this brand new car." Yes, taking you eyes off the road to look for ANY object on the floor can cause you to have an accident.



Originally Posted by Vunder31 (Post 7985554)
"A new study confirms that the reaction time of cell phone users slows dramatically, increasing the risk of accidents and tying up traffic in general, and when young adults use cell phones while driving, they're as bad as sleepy septuagenarians."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895319/

While you posted a news article, not a scientific study, it states "If you put a 20-year-old driver behind the wheel with a cell phone, their reaction times are the same as a 70-year-old driver who is not using a cell phone," It also compares their reaction times to drink drivers. So does this mean older drivers also drive as if they were under the influence? I will also note this study observed how the conversation caused their distraction. Do regular conversations with your passenger cause the same if not a greater distraction? What about unruly kids (I'm not a parent, nor have I driven a child), I would think they cause a far greater distraction then a cell phone conversation.


Originally Posted by Vunder31 (Post 7985554)
"Psychological research is showing that when drivers use cell phones, whether hand-held or hands-off, their attention to the road drops and driving skills become even worse than if they had too much to drink. Epidemiological research has found that cell-phone use is associated with a four-fold increase in the odds of getting into an accident – a risk comparable to that of driving with blood alcohol at the legal limit. "

http://www.psychologymatters.org/driverdistract.html

That was a nice scientific study. This study also compared listening to the radio, which is far less distracting. They do not compare a cell phone conversation to a conversation with a passenger. I think it would be interesting to see the difference in distraction levels. It seems it is not the cell phones causing these distractions, it is the minds in ability to process multiple thoughts. Unless they show conversations with your passenger poses does not distract you as much as a cell phone does I will not blame the cell phone.


Originally Posted by Vunder31 (Post 7985554)
"“If you put a 20-year-old driver behind the wheel with a cell phone, their reaction times are the same as a 70-year-old driver who is not using a cell phone. It’s like instantly aging a large number of drivers,” says David Strayer, a University of Utah psychology professor and principal author of the study."

http://web.utah.edu/unews/releases/0...ellphones.html

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=1278669

Again, does that also mean 70 year old drivers drive as if they are under the influence? As the baby-boomers approach this age shouldn't they be a more serious problem? A cell phone user can put his or her cell phone away if driving conditions suddenly get worse (storm, fog, heavy traffic) but a 70 year old cannot instantly improve his concentration level.

billmany Jul 1, 2007 11:21 am

not keeping my iphone. Kind of new i would not like it but bought into the hype. It is cool but absolutely a downgrade from BB for business productivity.

CrazyOne Jul 1, 2007 11:31 am

This company says they'll be providing real access to Exchange and Domino servers by the end of Q3 2007: http://www.visto.com/news/releases/07.06.28_iphone.asp

Interesting not just because of what it provides but because this would appear to be an actual third-party software effort, although I suppose it's possible it will be developed via the provided web-based interface.

fredl Jul 1, 2007 11:38 am

As an AAPL supporter I really hope that they have done their homework on this. Touting it as the best iPod ever and a smartphone revolution is a big move. Cellphones are definately more mission-critical devices than DAP and PMP:s, and a poor execution and follow up will harm the companys image.

What I find most disturbing on the iPhone is:
No user replaceable battery, on a device with such a high cost, there simply is no excuse for it. On a device that have to be charged everyday this is a big drawback.

Two-year contract obligation and only one service provider. Hopefully this will elliminated when the phone hits europe.

To low capacity, although I suspect the iPhone (if it can remain a commercial success) will recieve capacity upgrades. 4 resp 8 gigs isn't a whole lot for a device that claims to be the "Best iPhone ever", especially since phones like the Nokia N95 support SDHC micro-sd cards for expansion and hotswapping.'

Only web-based 3rd party applications, this is what drives the Symbian and WM based phone community.

I think Apple is taking a risk when they put so much effort into diversifying so that they forgo their usual product cycle upgrades. Many of their big sellers have past their TBU dates with almost 2x.

drummingcraig Jul 1, 2007 12:02 pm

iBrick
 
Yes...thats what I currently have sitting on my desk in front of me...a $650 paperweight.

I decided after the phone didn't sell on eBay to go ahead and keep it (after some persuasion by my fiance). I hooked it up and began the activation process yesterday at roughly 5pm EST and instead of taking "up to 3 minutes" I was prompted by iTunes that my actvation would take longer and I would be receiving an email when it was complete.

Well...we're at +21 hours and no email. I called AT&T and was advised that it will take 24-48 hours. :mad:

After poking around on Apple's forums I realized that this is apparently a wide reaching issue. Fortunately I was not porting my number since I'm an existing AT&T customer. I was able to move the SIM from the iPhone into my Treo and it works fine. There are many poor souls who are porting numbers from another carrier and have no phone during this debacle.

^ to AT&T and Apple for being ready to efficiently handle their "big launch". [/sarcasm]

Craig


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