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returnoftheyeti Feb 28, 2024 9:36 pm

Trending?
 
I used to click on “Flyertalk Forums” and it would show trending post. Now I just get a forum directory. Did something change, and is there a link to trending post?

ft101 Feb 28, 2024 10:24 pm

There's an announcement at the top of every forum letting you know what happened.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tech...ation-889.html

etiene Feb 29, 2024 1:35 am

Crazy decision. It's interesting to see what's going on outside of my regular forums, but I'm not flicking through everywhere to find stuff.

returnoftheyeti Feb 29, 2024 7:35 am

Yeah, thats too bad. It seemed for some reason to be about half BA, but that may have just been the busiest forum.

Trending was how I found out about a bunch of cool stuff.


but it seems that traffic trends and tech standards once again favor a straightforward style.
I actually don’t understand this at all, all the new social media sites have a top, or review, or a “timeline” and they are often pushing ads, or what they want you to see.

This will lessen “my” use of Flyertalk anyway. For example, the trending page is how I learned CapOne was buying Discover.


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 36039354)
There's an announcement at the top of every forum letting you know what happened.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tech...ation-889.html

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...74649935e.jpeg

My eyes completely glazed over this….wow…maybe I should take some time off from the Internet

WCT3U Mar 1, 2024 10:08 am


Originally Posted by returnoftheyeti (Post 36040085)
Yeah, that's too bad...

Trending was how I found out about a bunch of cool stuff.

I actually don’t understand this at all, all the new social media sites have a top, or review, or a “timeline” and they are often pushing ads, or what they want you to see.

This will lessen “my” use of Flyertalk anyway. ...

+1
I completely agree. They switched from a dynamic page under IB control to a basically static table of contents. There's no reason anymore for me to waste time opening https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php since a visit today will just give me the same content as yesterday's viewing. I guess I'll set up some bookmarks which take me directly to the forums I follow instead.

I'd like to see the discussion that went into this decision. It seems to me that this will compartmentalize people whereas the trend showed unity by giving us a view into what people were talking about in forums we may not follow.

I really don't use "social media" websites. Flyertalk is one of the few. But youtube has the "algorithm" that selects content for its home page. The youtube algorithm does a scarily impressive job giving me new content from channels that I subscribe to as well as suggesting videos that I might also want to watch. If I was asked about potential modernization to flyertalk, I would have expected it to employ its own algorithm to bring me more into the content and site. Showing me a simple table of contents with just a "last post" in each entry is reminiscent of how web sites were done decades ago, imho.

IBJoel Mar 1, 2024 10:14 am

I will say that we are monitoring traffic over the next few weeks, so if it tanks, we'll know that the Trending Page was a significant driver

returnoftheyeti Mar 1, 2024 11:55 am


Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 36043709)
I will say that we are monitoring traffic over the next few weeks, so if it tanks, we'll know that the Trending Page was a significant driver

It will be interesting to see what your metrics show. Ill still visit the site, but Ill check “My Flyertalk” and maybe he Amex, SF, and United forums.

But I wont spend any time in any other forums. So while you still have my visits, you will have less overall engagement. And I’ll never randomly click a thread about how SAS is leaving Star for Flying Blue, or whatever.

asovse1 Mar 1, 2024 2:07 pm

Not sure if intentional or whether I’ve highlighted something that will be shut off, but I’m thankful trending is still accessible by this url https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php

returnoftheyeti Mar 1, 2024 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by asovse1 (Post 36044369)
Not sure if intentional or whether I’ve highlighted something that will be shut off, but I’m thankful trending is still accessible by this url https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php

Nice, thanks. Thats all I wanted.

halls120 Mar 2, 2024 7:06 am


Originally Posted by returnoftheyeti (Post 36044014)
It will be interesting to see what your metrics show. Ill still visit the site, but Ill check “My Flyertalk” and maybe he Amex, SF, and United forums.

But I wont spend any time in any other forums. So while you still have my visits, you will have less overall engagement. And I’ll never randomly click a thread about how SAS is leaving Star for Flying Blue, or whatever.

This. I found the trending page to be useful, and it served as a useful tool to to see issues and stories I wouldn't otherwise see.

RetiredATLATC Mar 4, 2024 10:24 am

Page not found
 
This started showing up today whenever I try to use my shortcut to FT. Cookies and Cache both deleted, on an Android S22 Ultra completely updated.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...81fb206fd6.jpg

Bensky13 Mar 4, 2024 10:30 am

Sad to see the Trending page disappear. Is there any reason why it can't stick around as a non-default view for those of us who enjoy discovering threads that are of interest in forums that we wouldn't normally browse to?

RetiredATLATC Mar 4, 2024 10:47 am


Originally Posted by asovse1 (Post 36044369)
Not sure if intentional or whether I’ve highlighted something that will be shut off, but I’m thankful trending is still accessible by this url https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php

I try that and all I get is this
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...197374288e.jpg

Admiral Ackbar Mar 4, 2024 11:28 am

I don't understand the rationale behind not even having it as a link anymore, does the SQL query for that page cost more or something?

Only way to know what is going on in the travel world at one glance. Why?

asovse1 Mar 4, 2024 12:05 pm

RetiredATLATC It looks like the page has finally been killed.

Admiral Ackbar
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they truly want to monitor what traffic changes are like when that page has been killed. Hopefully it will come back when they have better data. If just only to please the diehards

IluvSQ Mar 4, 2024 12:29 pm

Bring back the trending page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MitzEclipse Mar 4, 2024 12:49 pm

+1 bring back Trending Page.

Jipster1982 Mar 4, 2024 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by MitzEclipse (Post 36052045)
+1 bring back Trending Page.

Seconded

hurnik Mar 4, 2024 1:35 pm

Page not found - accessing forums
 
Steps to dupe:
Open a browser
Go to: https://www.flyertalk.com
On the top section, there's the Hamburger icon, Magnifying glass icon, News, and Forums sections.
Click the Forums, it expands a big blue section.
Click All Forums

Get Page not found error (which seems to try to take you to: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php)

If you go to anything else (say Airlines & Mileage programs, and then use THAT menu section, you can get to the main forums)

skimthetrees Mar 4, 2024 3:24 pm

+1 bring back Trending Page.

It does not need to be a home page, but a link to click would be nice.

bambinomartino Mar 4, 2024 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 36043709)
I will say that we are monitoring traffic over the next few weeks, so if it tanks, we'll know that the Trending Page was a significant driver

I can tell you that I will be spending a lot less time on the forum.

When I type in "fly...", which I did a few times a day, my browser would highlight my "home" subforum, Air Canada/Aeroplan. I will peruse its first page to see if anything of interest is there (spoiler alert, always the same umpteen-hundred-page omnibus "topics"), and then would click on Flyertalk Forums to see what's piquing people's attention. Yes, lots of BA stuff, but I would click through and read for quite some time.

Now I will probably take a glance at the hapless and sterile Air Canada forum a couple times a week, but will stop there, knowing that there's nothing else interesting that's readily accessible.

Terrible, terrible decision to remove https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php. I was a bit relieved that the link worked for a day or so after the change, but now it's dead. Shame.

BrandonAB Mar 4, 2024 6:00 pm

The trending page was something I looked forward to checking every day. Many interesting topics that I otherwise wouldn't know anything about. Bring it back!

THR Mar 4, 2024 7:18 pm

Absolutely miss the trending page :(

returnoftheyeti Mar 4, 2024 7:47 pm

FWIW if you scroll way down on the front page, you get this. No idea if its new, or if it will last.

I suspect they are trying to drive traffic to the main page for the ad revenue.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...677b070c64.png



Corvette Forums are also Internet Brands, and they still have Trending in the forums, as well as on the home page. You only get 5 links and its not clickable like our old trending page was. https://www.corvetteforum.com

FMDXR Mar 4, 2024 8:07 pm

Thirded---bring the trending page back

O62 Mar 4, 2024 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by Bensky13 (Post 36051552)
Sad to see the Trending page disappear. Is there any reason why it can't stick around as a non-default view for those of us who enjoy discovering threads that are of interest in forums that we wouldn't normally browse to?

Agreed!


Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar (Post 36051736)
I don't understand the rationale behind not even having it as a link anymore, does the SQL query for that page cost more or something?

Only way to know what is going on in the travel world at one glance. Why?

Right!

Adding another voice for the trending page. It was how I stayed connected to other forums, interesting topics, and general travel trends. Seems such low hanging fruit to bring back the php code somewhere else.

Gig103 Mar 4, 2024 10:14 pm

Another vote to bring Trending back. Something I dislike about many site algorithms is how I'm fed things they think I want. Since FT was site trends it fed me things that others found engaging, which kept me up to date on the overall airline industry including the areas I wouldn't necessarily visit (like United - I hate them but will still read a trending thread on them).

asovse1 Mar 4, 2024 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by Gig103 (Post 36053330)
Another vote to bring Trending back. Something I dislike about many site algorithms is how I'm fed things they think I want. Since FT was site trends it fed me things that others found engaging, which kept me up to date on the overall airline industry including the areas I wouldn't necessarily visit (like United - I hate them but will still read a trending thread on them).

Totally agree. And before someone says that the page was dominated by BA and US carriers because of the sheer volume of their boards...

Well, that was the best part! The formulaic trending page delivered fast-paced discussion that was oftentimes quite captivating. and if it wasn't that useful on a particular day, then I continue onto the boards that I want to monitor.

And you have boards like BA that allow for the odd off-topic or "fun" post that the other forums don't get which brought a lot of character to the site and community. I browse more rigid forums where the moderation style (thankfully) is such that new discussions are encouraged to go into megathreads. But I **LEARNED** stuff to improve my travel hobby from the new ideas and topics that sprung up on trending. This is what I used FT for!

etiene Mar 5, 2024 7:03 am

Just discovered AA's new aircraft order ... from the Chrome trending/curated feed! Something I would previously have found out about here on FT and now have to go looking for.

Norri Mar 5, 2024 7:18 am

I expect it made sense to someone. I'd like to see it back!

Umbongo Mar 5, 2024 7:41 am

According to BA aficionados, in the BA lexicon, an "enhancement" is a service - or part of a service - which is discontinued and which, according to BA, thereby somehow "improves" the consumer's experience. Of course, in BA's case what is enhanced is either BA's profit or its need to provide customers with something which customers probably appreciate but can survive without. I suspect the removal of the Trending Page has similar characteristics: a service appreciated by (most of) Flyertalk's customers cancelled because it is marginally profitable to do so and/or a minimal amount of effort on the part of Flyertalk's staff is thereby "saved".

IBJoel Mar 5, 2024 9:09 am

The 500 error is intentional, but the link still being around is not.

The funny thing is that so many people complained when we rolled out the Trending page

IBJoel Mar 5, 2024 9:10 am


Originally Posted by Umbongo (Post 36054349)
According to BA aficionados, in the BA lexicon, an "enhancement" is a service - or part of a service - which is discontinued and which, according to BA, thereby somehow "improves" the consumer's experience. Of course, in BA's case what is enhanced is either BA's profit or its need to provide customers with something which customers probably appreciate but can survive without. I suspect the removal of the Trending Page has similar characteristics: a service appreciated by (most of) Flyertalk's customers cancelled because it is marginally profitable to do so and/or a minimal amount of effort on the part of Flyertalk's staff is thereby "saved".

Other way around. The page has a low usage rate

WCT3U Mar 5, 2024 9:27 am


Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 36054621)
The 500 error is intentional, but the link still being around is not.

The funny thing is that so many people complained when we rolled out the Trending page

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php returns a 404, Not Found, error with customized text. 500 is for Internal Errors.
Since the trending page was removed, a 404 is an appropriate response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...atus_codes#500

IBJoel Mar 5, 2024 9:30 am


Originally Posted by WCT3U (Post 36054684)
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trending.php returns a 404, Not Found, error with customized text. 500 is for Internal Errors.
Since the trending page was removed, a 404 is an appropriate response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_404
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...atus_codes#500

Thank you for the correction. I was thinking about the wikipost thing

returnoftheyeti Mar 5, 2024 9:38 am


Originally Posted by IBJoel (Post 36054621)
The 500 error is intentional, but the link still being around is not.

The funny thing is that so many people complained when we rolled out the Trending page

Cheeky..... but true...

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tech...home-page.html

So what you are saying is....we need this thread to go over 8 pages to get momentum to enable it again..


It's an algorithm that weighs newness, engagement, sub-forum location, and how long the thread has been on the Trending page. We obviously don't want the same handful of threads dominating the page every single day. That said, we're always looking to improve the program and I will pass along suggestions. Besides what RumPatrol said, what are some changes you'd like to see?

Oh, and I can assure you that our editors have absolutely zero in put on Trending (it's 100% computer generated), and aside from ads on the page, it is not a revenue source.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29568293-post5.html

FlyingUnderTheRadar Mar 5, 2024 10:43 am

I too enjoyed the trending page. After reading my usual forums, I select "Mark Forums Read" which would then take me to the trending threads. Which was good read at times.

gallen5555 Mar 5, 2024 10:48 am

I have been a memberr for 13 years. please bring the trending section back. It exposed me to some information I might have missed glancing at the other forums. At least have a link to click on.

DutchessPDX Mar 5, 2024 12:57 pm

Bring back the trending page!!! This was my default landing page and loved reading things outside of our forum. [Removed uncivil remark]

StuckInYYZ Mar 5, 2024 1:25 pm

Just a note, the "deactivation notification" doesn't show up on the mobile pages. So anyone who primarily uses a tablet or smartphone (and I imagine that is a lot of people since most readers are on the go) is not likely to see the notification. I'd also be curious in seeing the logic that went into removing that page as many people I know use that as their home page.


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