Consolidated "Problems Accessing FlyerTalk When Using A VPN" thread
#151




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I do have my own VPN running on one of my server machines at home, but when traveling it's not as reliable or fast as some of the larger VPN providers who have access points all around the world.
#152




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I get the downsides of using a VPN, but when traveling, there are at least a few reasons to always use a VPN:
1. From a reputable provider (like NordVPN), your connection will be more secure than the run of the mill hotel/airport WiFi. In fact, if you don't use a VPN, you're taking on added risk.
2. Some of your work (like stock trading, etc.), probably requires an IP address in your home country. This is not uniformly the case, but I do know of at least a couple of brokers I use that will not let me access my account from a foreign IP address.
3. If you're traveling in a country that's known to snoop internet traffic (and we all know at least a few of them), you should use a VPN. In fact, if you're traveling on business to some of these countries, your company SHOULD mandate the use of a VPN. The risk to IP loss/theft is real and several companies have suffered because of this.
It is annoying that FT is blocking me from accessing it using a US IP on NordVPN. I changed to a Canadian IP and can access it (as I'm doing now).
1. From a reputable provider (like NordVPN), your connection will be more secure than the run of the mill hotel/airport WiFi. In fact, if you don't use a VPN, you're taking on added risk.
2. Some of your work (like stock trading, etc.), probably requires an IP address in your home country. This is not uniformly the case, but I do know of at least a couple of brokers I use that will not let me access my account from a foreign IP address.
3. If you're traveling in a country that's known to snoop internet traffic (and we all know at least a few of them), you should use a VPN. In fact, if you're traveling on business to some of these countries, your company SHOULD mandate the use of a VPN. The risk to IP loss/theft is real and several companies have suffered because of this.
It is annoying that FT is blocking me from accessing it using a US IP on NordVPN. I changed to a Canadian IP and can access it (as I'm doing now).
#153




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3. If you're traveling in a country that's known to snoop internet traffic (and we all know at least a few of them), you should use a VPN. In fact, if you're traveling on business to some of these countries, your company SHOULD mandate the use of a VPN. The risk to IP loss/theft is real and several companies have suffered because of this.
#154


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I opted out of all cookies when I logged in just now, and I run an ad blocker for 99% of websites, and to the right of this text input box are two boxes imploring me to think about the FlyerTalk team and how it's so easy for me to help them out by disabling my ad blocker.
Ironic, considering this is a website and forum dedicated to frequent travelers, a significant number of whom A: use VPNs when abroad for any number of which use VPNs when abroad and B: are unable to access anything on FlyerTalk while abroad using those legitimate VPNs. As this thread is now 7.5 years old (It'll be 8 this November) and this is STILL an ongoing problem that the "FlyerTalk Team" has no intention of fixing, No thank you, I will continue to deny you the ad revenue. Sorry, I'd be happy to help you out there, but you can't be bothered to even let me participate without using an insecure network connection. Such a sad, ironic shame.
Ironic, considering this is a website and forum dedicated to frequent travelers, a significant number of whom A: use VPNs when abroad for any number of which use VPNs when abroad and B: are unable to access anything on FlyerTalk while abroad using those legitimate VPNs. As this thread is now 7.5 years old (It'll be 8 this November) and this is STILL an ongoing problem that the "FlyerTalk Team" has no intention of fixing, No thank you, I will continue to deny you the ad revenue. Sorry, I'd be happy to help you out there, but you can't be bothered to even let me participate without using an insecure network connection. Such a sad, ironic shame.
#155




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#156


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I opted out of all cookies when I logged in just now, and I run an ad blocker for 99% of websites, and to the right of this text input box are two boxes imploring me to think about the FlyerTalk team and how it's so easy for me to help them out by disabling my ad blocker.
Ironic, considering this is a website and forum dedicated to frequent travelers, a significant number of whom A: use VPNs when abroad for any number of which use VPNs when abroad and B: are unable to access anything on FlyerTalk while abroad using those legitimate VPNs. As this thread is now 7.5 years old (It'll be 8 this November) and this is STILL an ongoing problem that the "FlyerTalk Team" has no intention of fixing, No thank you, I will continue to deny you the ad revenue. Sorry, I'd be happy to help you out there, but you can't be bothered to even let me participate without using an insecure network connection. Such a sad, ironic shame.
Ironic, considering this is a website and forum dedicated to frequent travelers, a significant number of whom A: use VPNs when abroad for any number of which use VPNs when abroad and B: are unable to access anything on FlyerTalk while abroad using those legitimate VPNs. As this thread is now 7.5 years old (It'll be 8 this November) and this is STILL an ongoing problem that the "FlyerTalk Team" has no intention of fixing, No thank you, I will continue to deny you the ad revenue. Sorry, I'd be happy to help you out there, but you can't be bothered to even let me participate without using an insecure network connection. Such a sad, ironic shame.
IF the ads and cookies (including those here on FT) didnt also come with trackers, retargeting, analytics elements and other wholly unwanted and surreptitious tech then many of us would allow them in support of the sites we find value in visiting.
However, publishers and site operators, some unknowingly, display ads that act as a trojan horse to inject unwanted tracking code into the users browser, which follows them around long after theyve left the website that injected the code. It sucks for everyone except maybe the retargeting companies and data brokers.
I value FT and would happily pay a reasonable fee annually for them to be able to provide the site without the invasive tracking technology. Unfortunately thats not an option, and its not easy to convert an ad based site to a subscription one.
On the issue of VPN I also agree, it is sadly ironic and tone deaf to be trying to make savvy travelers of all demographics disable one of the few protective measures we have available to us. I did ask FT and they obliged me to whitelist a single VPN server. I appreciate being able to access the site again but it is a chore to switch to that server just for one website and admittedly my visits here have been a fraction of what they once were due to the extra hoop I now have to jump through.
I operate a small forum of my own and I realize its a balance between keeping the spam bots out yet keeping the site accessible and convenient for your users. Seems like its too heavy handed in the direction of the former concern, at least from where I sit.
Those are my two cents and FT Team and Mods, know that many of us very much appreciate this place and your work to keep it going. But please also consider the concerns expressed in this thread about the technology decisions that have been made. For every one of us being vocal about it there are likely many more who just stopped visiting and participating or dont feel compelled enough to speak up.
edit: quoted wrong post.
#157




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#158


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My usage of Flyertalk has gone down by 80+% as a result of the VPN issue. Real shame. I tried to get my IP address whitelisted but it was to no avail as apparently it wasn't feasible. I'm no IT expert so can't speak to the details but I know that one of my go to websites is no longer that for me. Too bad, but oh well, life goes on.
#159
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Guys, I'm working with our network team to make some fairly comprehensive reforms on blocks. The hurdles to that are two-fold: Cloudflare is a service we use for security, but independent of us. The other problem is that I have zero knowledge or understanding of networks, so I need a lecture in every email explaining to me what our techs mean.
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Guys, I'm working with our network team to make some fairly comprehensive reforms on blocks. The hurdles to that are two-fold: Cloudflare is a service we use for security, but independent of us. The other problem is that I have zero knowledge or understanding of networks, so I need a lecture in every email explaining to me what our techs mean.
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#162
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#163




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Start a Wiki?
Could someone start and maintain a wiki for this thread that consolidates the current understand of the VPN situation? Thanks.
#164



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If you think you have a consolidated view - in a desktop browser go to the top of the thread, select Thread tools, create a Wikipost.
#165


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To repeat a point made above: There are lots of different reasons for using a VPN, many of them both legitimate and sensible.

