RichMSN

They did before, they would again. I remember those days. Instead of ruling that counting threads violated post padding rules already in place, Randy just stopped the counting of all OMNI posts. Back then there were counting games dominating the front page of OMNI.

I am a bit torn because I see the value in the game threads for those who choose to post there. WWBTNFTTP seems very creative. Mornington Crescent is a classic (especially after I became a fan of ISIHAC). To me, the only threads that I see that are completely silly are the counting threads, especially the ones where people post consecutive posts over and over again. But again, that's just my personal opinion. I'd count them all. But I wasn't going be able to get six votes on that.

nsx

+1

And let me say that RichMSN has set a great example of teamwork on this issue. Some TalkBoard members in the past have preferred to walk away with nothing rather than accept half a loaf. Finding the consensus (the most popular form of an idea) and supporting it works out much better for everyone.

dhammer53

And argue they (we) will. Isn't this really the point of all of these threads. Just to debate and add to post count?

Speaking of that, TB postings should not count because it's official business.

RKG

^^ to RichMSN!

kokonutz

lol, we're called perfectionists!

But I really DID appreciate he opportunity to vote FOR counting OMNI posts as well as the opportunity to vote against separating out games AND against making the segregated games forum not count. I appreciated being able to have my say on those matters despite the fact that a grand compromise had already been achieved. You guys could have steamrolled me by putting all 3 into one motion, but you didn't. ^

In the end you guys did a great job of coming up with a solution that makes most folks satisfied but no one happy enough to gloat. We'll see how it goes (and here I am obligated to add: if all motions in the grand compromise pass)!

nsx

That was the OLD koko. I voted for, and got, the NEW koko, who negotiates the best bargain he can and who votes Yes on it in the end. This koko has double the influence of most TB members because:

1. Like the old koko he states his position openly, fully, articulately, and forcefully.

And most especially because:

2. After the debate is done he is wiling to support the final deal.

Without part 2, other members ignore the excellence and effort in part 1. The NEW koko figured this out in the process of leading the overhaul of the TalkBoard Guidelines.

SkiAdcock

FWIW - I wasn't part of the deal some others made. I voted the way I did based on my own judgment, FTers input both on the recent threads & ones a few months ago, etc. I understand why some did the deal, as they thought it solved all the issues as best as they could be solved.

And has been mentioned, sometimes a good compromise works out better than lines in the sand. I think we've got a good TB this year.

Cheers.

T8191

My 2p/0.02$ ... games posts may amuse some people but contribute nothing to the basic ethos of FT.

Games should not count.

Call me Mr Miserable, by all means

kipper

IIRC, there's only 1 counting game that is still on-going, so I don't see that dominating the front page of OMNI.

I get that the "deal" that was brokered is all about making most of the people feel great, and that most on TalkBoard feel they can pat themselves on the back and say how wonderful it is because they worked out a compromise. However, for those who wanted all posts to count or no posts to count, I don't see this "deal" as a victory. I see it as creating yet another group of "second-class" citizens, because those who participate in games that build community (WWBTNFTTP for example) will not have those posts treated the same as someone who posts something similar in a lounge thread.

RichMSN

Sometimes compromise leaves nobody feeling like they "won." I see nothing wrong with that. I'm not patting myself on the back, BTW. I didn't get everything I wanted either. But sometimes it's better to get some than nothing.

DeaconFlyer

Maybe the fact that a proposal can't get 6 votes on its own should tell you something about the merits of that proposal.

Canarsie

I appreciate that and thank you for those thoughts.

However, I have asked those who regularly participate in that game, and they do not really care whether the content they post in that thread “counts” or not — and as the creator of that game, neither do I.

It appears as though — at least in the case of that thread — whatever the members of TalkBoard decide is fine with us, for what that is worth.

RichMSN

Clearly it needed the two proposals that were made subsequent to the original one in order to get six votes. Apparently that worked because it got SEVEN.

tom911

I bumped up about 6 games in a row last week just to remind myself what it looked like before. I can bump them up again if you'd like. They'll be a lot more FTers than me bumping those threads onto the first page if they accrue towards post count. No doubt in my mind after seeing FTers rack up 20K-30K in number counting threads when they did count.

BadTime

Because someone finds value in it or they wouldn't do it. Others say they have made friends through some games. Once again they are red headed step children and some find value in it.

I've read these forums and NUMEROUS times saw count all or it isn't fair. Do this and a month later it will be brought up for a vote again.

Let's make everyone of equal value (except for under 180 posters) and be done with it.